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Posted: **Sun Feb 06, 2022 2:59 am**

When a prayer comes true, the person who prayed thinks that the event is the result of his prayer. This may be true, but it could simply be a case of the post hoc fallacy. This fallacy states that if event B follows event A, then A necessarily caused B.

Posted: **Sun Feb 06, 2022 4:14 am**

A prayer is a request. It is not a demand. It is not a technique of control. It is a plea.

Thus, it leaves up to the one being petitioned whether the answer should be "yes," "no," or "wait."

If it's not that, it's not a prayer at all.

Posted: **Tue Feb 22, 2022 5:35 pm**

prayer is a request to a power that is able to grant said request. now if you're talking about the God of Israel declared a Living God then how do you even know the request is heard? surely if its granted you would know that it was heard, so that you would know that it's of God. at least that's the case in most documented experiences with the Lord God of Israel.

Posted: **Tue Feb 22, 2022 6:22 pm**

not sure about what it is, but Jon Bon Jovi says he lives on one...

-Imp

Posted: **Tue Feb 22, 2022 11:10 pm**

That's because union's been on strike. He's down on his luck. It's tough. So tough.

Posted: **Wed Feb 23, 2022 4:04 pm**

Jori wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 2:59 am When a prayer comes true, the person who prayed thinks that the event is the result of his prayer. This may be true, but it could simply be a case of the post hoc fallacy. This fallacy states that if event B follows event A, then A necessarily caused B.

Yes! Especially the prayers of war loving Christians:

The War Prayer, by Mark Twain

Posted: **Mon Oct 06, 2025 4:50 pm**

I used to feel disconnected during prayers until I got a Christian wall cross that my grandmother had in her home. Somehow, having it up makes the space feel more grounded and meaningful, like it ties the room to something deeper. It's weird how just one small object can shift the vibe and remind you of what really matters in quiet moments.

Posted: **Mon Oct 06, 2025 10:18 pm**

A prayer is not NECESSARILY a request/petition. It might instead be a blessing, praise, or thanks for what already received. In other words, prayers that do not call for an answer.

Posted: **Mon Oct 06, 2025 10:32 pm**

Hmm, well, you guys know I'm a hardcore Spinozean Rationalist and that like my Rationalist predecessors, I do not attribute to God a capacity or desire to trifle his and our affairs with such dubious things. For God does not 'talk', rule by providence, or send missionaries to speak for him. You will find him neither in the space in your head when in prayer nor the mouth of a priest or prophet when in church.

And, in fact, because Jori is right, there is further proof that a God would not both plant in the intellect of man a capacity to recognize a post hoc fallacy and then present evidence of himself in circumstances that could be subject to being only a post hoc fallacy.... such as prayer. God wouldn't gamble like that.

Posted: **Mon Oct 06, 2025 10:40 pm**

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 4:14 am A prayer is a request. It is not a demand. It is not a technique of control. It is a plea.

Thus, it leaves up to the one being petitioned whether the answer should be "yes," "no," or "wait."

If it's not that, it's not a prayer at all.

So, all 'this one', here, is essentially saying and claiming is that God answers requests or pleas with a 'Yes', (a 'No' or with a 'wait').

Which is obviously not saying much at all, really

Posted: **Mon Oct 06, 2025 10:43 pm**

promethean75 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 06, 2025 10:32 pm Hmm, well, you guys know I'm a hardcore Spinozean Rationalist and that like my Rationalist predecessors, I do not attribute to God a capacity or desire to trifle his and our affairs with such dubious things. For God does not 'talk', rule by providence, or send missionaries to speak for him. You will find him neither in the space in your head when in prayer nor the mouth of a priest or prophet when in church.

And, in fact, because Jori is right, there is further proof that a God would not both plant in the intellect of man a capacity to recognize a post hoc fallacy and then present evidence of himself in circumstances that could be subject to being only a post hoc fallacy.... such as prayer. God wouldn't gamble like that.

So, what does the "he" God you talk about and refer to, here, actually do do, exactly?

Posted: **Tue Oct 07, 2025 12:20 am**

Age wrote: ↑Mon Oct 06, 2025 10:40 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 4:14 am A prayer is a request. It is not a demand. It is not a technique of control. It is a plea.

Thus, it leaves up to the one being petitioned whether the answer should be "yes," "no," or "wait."

If it's not that, it's not a prayer at all.
So, all 'this one', here, is essentially saying and claiming is that God answers requests or pleas with a 'Yes', (a 'No' or with a 'wait').

Which is obviously not saying much at all, really

Au contraire. It says a lot. It's the difference between a child who has parents who watch over him and direct him and decide what is appropriate to his needs and when, and an orphan abandoned to the indifferent world.

Posted: **Tue Oct 07, 2025 12:32 am**

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Oct 07, 2025 12:20 am
Age wrote: ↑Mon Oct 06, 2025 10:40 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 4:14 am A prayer is a request. It is not a demand. It is not a technique of control. It is a plea.

Thus, it leaves up to the one being petitioned whether the answer should be "yes," "no," or "wait."

If it's not that, it's not a prayer at all.
So, all 'this one', here, is essentially saying and claiming is that God answers requests or pleas with a 'Yes', (a 'No' or with a 'wait').

Which is obviously not saying much at all, really
Au contraire. It says a lot. It's the difference between a child who has parents who watch over him and direct him and decide what is appropriate to his needs and when, and an orphan abandoned to the indifferent world.

What are you even on about, here, now?

All you, essentially, have done, here, is just replace the 'prayers' word with the 'requests' and/or 'pleas' words. Which is, again, obviously not saying much at all, really.

And, doing what you did, on some pretense that 'demand' was being applied or implied is just further proof of how often and of how much you 'try to' fool, and deceive, the readers, here.

Posted: **Tue Oct 07, 2025 12:56 am**

Age wrote: ↑Tue Oct 07, 2025 12:32 am
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Oct 07, 2025 12:20 am
Age wrote: ↑Mon Oct 06, 2025 10:40 pm

So, all 'this one', here, is essentially saying and claiming is that God answers requests or pleas with a 'Yes', (a 'No' or with a 'wait').

Which is obviously not saying much at all, really
Au contraire. It says a lot. It's the difference between a child who has parents who watch over him and direct him and decide what is appropriate to his needs and when, and an orphan abandoned to the indifferent world.
What are you even on about, here, now?

Sorry...my mistake...I treated you as if you were rational and capable of understanding. I won't do it again.

Posted: **Tue Oct 07, 2025 1:37 am**

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Oct 07, 2025 12:56 am
Age wrote: ↑Tue Oct 07, 2025 12:32 am
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Oct 07, 2025 12:20 am
Au contraire. It says a lot. It's the difference between a child who has parents who watch over him and direct him and decide what is appropriate to his needs and when, and an orphan abandoned to the indifferent world.
What are you even on about, here, now?
Sorry...my mistake...I treated you as if you were rational and capable of understanding. I won't do it again.

And, once again, when you are completely incapable to counter or refute what was just very plainly pointed out and shown to be True, you fall back on your 'superiority complex' and to resorting making your condescending remarks of others.

Which, once more, is, exactly, one of things that the word, 'devil', talks about and is referring to.

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