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If we take the word 'philosophy' here to mean having a 'love-of-wisdom', which means that if one is a True 'philosopher', then they just want to learn more or 'become wiser'.

If there is anyone here who Truly does desire to 'become wiser', and wants to find thee answer to whether God exists or not, then let us just have a Truly 'philosophical discussion' here now.

The quickest, simplest, and easiest way for this answer to come to light is by not expressing what one already thinks or believes is true, but by just remaining always open instead.

Now, for this discussion to begin and to be successful we just have to work out if there could be absolutely any existing thing that could do what God is said to be able to do, and then see if any of those things could be what the word 'God' was just actually referring to.

So, what exactly could do what God is said to be able to do?

And, if any one answers with the word God, then what exactly is God, to you?

Age wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 12:23 pm If we take the word 'philosophy' here to mean having a 'love-of-wisdom', which means that if one is a True 'philosopher', then they just want to learn more or 'become wiser'.

If there is anyone here who Truly does desire to 'become wiser', and wants to find thee answer to whether God exists or not, then let us just have a Truly 'philosophical discussion' here now.

The quickest, simplest, and easiest way for this answer to come to light is by not expressing what one already thinks or believes is true, but by just remaining always open instead.

Now, for this discussion to begin and to be successful we just have to work out if there could be absolutely any existing thing that could do what God is said to be able to do, and then see if any of those things could be what the word 'God' was just actually referring to.

So, what exactly could do what God is said to be able to do?

And, if any one answers with the word God, then what exactly is God, to you?

What do you mean by 'God'? This word has no fixed meaning for free thinkers.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 12:23 pm ...let us just have a Truly 'philosophical discussion' here now.

Age, you trying to lead a "philosophical discusson" on any topic is as useful as a goldfish trying to teach hang gliding.

Belinda wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 2:05 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 12:23 pm If we take the word 'philosophy' here to mean having a 'love-of-wisdom', which means that if one is a True 'philosopher', then they just want to learn more or 'become wiser'.

If there is anyone here who Truly does desire to 'become wiser', and wants to find thee answer to whether God exists or not, then let us just have a Truly 'philosophical discussion' here now.

The quickest, simplest, and easiest way for this answer to come to light is by not expressing what one already thinks or believes is true, but by just remaining always open instead.

Now, for this discussion to begin and to be successful we just have to work out if there could be absolutely any existing thing that could do what God is said to be able to do, and then see if any of those things could be what the word 'God' was just actually referring to.

So, what exactly could do what God is said to be able to do?

And, if any one answers with the word God, then what exactly is God, to you?

What do you mean by 'God'?

Whatever the meaning IS that is in agreement with EVERY one. Which is the purpose of this 'philosophical discussion' and so what is to be UNCOVERED here.

Belinda wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 2:05 pm This word has no fixed meaning for free thinkers.

Are 'you' a 'free thinker' "belinda"?

Also, does your CLAIM here mean that what the word 'God' could mean, or refer to, could be absolutely ANY thing?

By the way, so-called 'free thinkers' have ALREADY learned how to find thee answer, as well as KNOW if that answer is thee IRREFUTABLE True, Right, AND Correct answer.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 5:42 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 12:23 pm ...let us just have a Truly 'philosophical discussion' here now.

Age, you trying to lead a "philosophical discusson" on any topic is as useful as a goldfish trying to teach hang gliding.

As you have just PROVED True by your response here "immanuel can".

I just started a thread. It is up to 'you', posters, how you respond to it. So, the way 'you' respond determines how this 'philosophical discussion' will proceed, and by your lead response here "immanuel can" you are just fulfilling, and making true, your already obtained BELIEFS.

Even though I CLEARLY EXPRESSED, in the opening post, for this discussion to begin, and to be successful, for this answer to come to light is by not expressing what one already thinks or believes is true but rather to just stay open, you still managed in your very first sentence to just express, clearly, exactly what you already thought or believe is true.

Seriously, are you able to just read, and then listen to what is actually being clearly said and expressed?

Age wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 12:23 pm If we take the word 'philosophy' here to mean having a 'love-of-wisdom', which means that if one is a True 'philosopher', then they just want to learn more or 'become wiser'.

If there is anyone here who Truly does desire to 'become wiser', and wants to find thee answer to whether God exists or not, then let us just have a Truly 'philosophical discussion' here now.

The quickest, simplest, and easiest way for this answer to come to light is by not expressing what one already thinks or believes is true, but by just remaining always open instead.

Now, for this discussion to begin and to be successful we just have to work out if there could be absolutely any existing thing that could do what God is said to be able to do, and then see if any of those things could be what the word 'God' was just actually referring to.

So, what exactly could do what God is said to be able to do?

And, if any one answers with the word God, then what exactly is God, to you?

God does nothing
It's just an invention for the weak mnided.
As for being on this Forum to become wiser would entaill others on the Forum who were wiser or more knowledgable than me.
As yet there are few.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 12:48 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 12:23 pm If we take the word 'philosophy' here to mean having a 'love-of-wisdom', which means that if one is a True 'philosopher', then they just want to learn more or 'become wiser'.

If there is anyone here who Truly does desire to 'become wiser', and wants to find thee answer to whether God exists or not, then let us just have a Truly 'philosophical discussion' here now.

The quickest, simplest, and easiest way for this answer to come to light is by not expressing what one already thinks or believes is true, but by just remaining always open instead.

Now, for this discussion to begin and to be successful we just have to work out if there could be absolutely any existing thing that could do what God is said to be able to do, and then see if any of those things could be what the word 'God' was just actually referring to.

So, what exactly could do what God is said to be able to do?

And, if any one answers with the word God, then what exactly is God, to you?

God does nothing

What IS this 'God' thing, EXACTLY, which you talk of and mention here? If you KNOW, FOR SURE, and without doubt, that "God does nothing", then this would infer or at least imply that you KNOW what God IS, EXACTLY. So, what IS God, EXACTLY?

Also, I NEVER said, NOR wrote, God does do ANY thing, AT ALL. But I DID write, AND say, 'what God is SAID to be able to do'.

And, let us NOT forget that just because some of 'you', human beings, SAY things, like; "God does this or that", "God does exist", or "God does not exist", then this does NOT then mean that what is SAID is even remotely close to thee ACTUAL Truth of things.

Thee ACTUAL Truth of things have to be discovered, or, more correctly, UNCOVERED, and just expressing one's BELIEFS, like you have CLEARLY done here does NOT UNCOVER, NOR REVEAL, thee ACTUAL Truth of things.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 12:48 am It's just an invention for the weak mnided.

'What', EXACTLY, IS just an invention for the "weak minded"?

Also, what is a "strong mind", and, a "weak mind", and how do both of those things relate to 'you', human beings. Also, what IS this 'mind' thing, EXACTLY, anyway?

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 12:48 am As for being on this Forum to become wiser would entaill others on the Forum who were wiser or more knowledgable than me.
As yet there are few.

From your perspective, who is wiser, or more knowledgeable, than you are, in this forum? And, could you have a more 'grandiose' or 'distorted' perspective of "yourself" here?

Oh, and by the way, it does NOT 'logically follow' that there NEEDS to be "another one" who is wiser or more knowledgeable for one to become wiser 'them' 'self'. For surely, if this was the case, then absolutely NO one could become wiser or more knowledgeable than "another" ALREADY IS. Which is OBVIOUSLY NOT the case AT ALL.

Also, let us NOT forget that this thread was for those who Truly do desire to 'become wiser', AND, who want to find the answer to whether God exists or not. It is NOT for those to just express what they ALREADY think or BELIEVE is true. Absolutely NO one can 'become wiser' by just doing that.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 12:23 pm If we take the word 'philosophy' here to mean having a 'love-of-wisdom', which means that if one is a True 'philosopher', then they just want to learn more or 'become wiser'.

Wisdom is a lot more than learning or knowledge. It is a result experience, observation, reflection, understanding and patience.

If there is anyone here who Truly does desire to 'become wiser', and wants to find thee answer to whether God exists or not, then let us just have a Truly 'philosophical discussion' here now.

The concept of a god plays no necessary part in wisdom or philosophy; and its existence is entirely irrelevant.

Now, for this discussion

What discussion?

Skip wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 8:17 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 12:23 pm If we take the word 'philosophy' here to mean having a 'love-of-wisdom', which means that if one is a True 'philosopher', then they just want to learn more or 'become wiser'.

Wisdom is a lot more than learning or knowledge. It is a result experience, observation, reflection, understanding and patience.

Okay. But just as long as we are aware that I NEVER said NOR even alluded to here ANY idea whatsoever that 'wisdom' is NOT more than learning or knowledge.

Also, and by the way, 'wisdom' is a lot more than other things as well.

But anyway, now how long does one need to wait for 'wisdom', EXACTLY, to you?

Skip wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 8:17 am

If there is anyone here who Truly does desire to 'become wiser', and wants to find thee answer to whether God exists or not, then let us just have a Truly 'philosophical discussion' here now.

The concept of a god plays no necessary part in wisdom or philosophy; and its existence is entirely irrelevant.

The concept of 'God' is a complete OTHER matter.

But as long as you are aware that I NEVER said NOR even alluded to ANY idea here that the concept of a god plays ANY necessary part in wisdom nor in 'philosophy' for that matter, (in some definition or meaning of that word that was OBVIOUSLY NOT intended in this thread).

Also, if we can work out ONCE, and for ALL, if God, Itself, IRREFUTABLY exists or not, then 'you', human beings, will OBVIOUSLY 'become wiser'.

Skip wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 8:17 am

Now, for this discussion

What discussion?

OBVIOUSLY 'the discussion' for those that want to have a discussion to SEE if God ACTUALLY exists or NOT.

If you do NOT want to have this discussion, then there is, OBVIOUSLY, NO discussion here, for you, correct?

Age wrote:

Whatever the meaning IS that is in agreement with EVERY one. Which is the purpose of this 'philosophical discussion' and so what is to be UNCOVERED here.

It is possible for cooperating participators to agree on a fixed definition of the word 'God'. This sort of definition is called an 'arbitrary definition'.

Religious people usually agree on a definition of 'God', although there are sort of religious people such as the Unitarians and the Quakers who tend much more to approve of more individualistic and more dynamic definitions of 'God'.

What is to be uncovered here is a knowledge of sociolinguistics. You could find better teachers of linguistics than I.

Skip wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 8:17 am The concept of a god plays no necessary part in wisdom or philosophy; and its existence is entirely irrelevant.

I totally agree.

Absolutely, the concept of a God is a necessary part in wisdom, which is tantamount as a part of philosophy; and its existence is entirely irrelevant unless one wants to be a ****.

AGE

So, what exactly could do what God is said to be able to do?

"It is only the impossible that is possible for God. He has given over the possible to the mechanics of matter and the autonomy of his creatures." ~ Simone Weil.

Belinda wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 11:55 am Age wrote:

Whatever the meaning IS that is in agreement with EVERY one. Which is the purpose of this 'philosophical discussion' and so what is to be UNCOVERED here.

It is possible for cooperating participators to agree on a fixed definition of the word 'God'. This sort of definition is called an 'arbitrary definition'.

Religious people usually agree on a definition of 'God', although there are sort of religious people such as the Unitarians and the Quakers who tend much more to approve of more individualistic and more dynamic definitions of 'God'.

What is to be uncovered here is a knowledge of sociolinguistics. You could find better teachers of linguistics than I.

You have MISSED the WHOLE POINT.

Nick_A wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 6:48 pm AGE

So, what exactly could do what God is said to be able to do?

"It is only the impossible that is possible for God. He has given over the possible to the mechanics of matter and the autonomy of his creatures." ~ Simone Weil.

Therefore, EXACTLY as I had envisioned.

So now, what is the name of the 'thing' that causes, creates, or provides 'the mechanics of matter', and, what is the name of the 'thing' that causes, creates, or provides 'the autonomy of creatures'?

And, could those 'things' just what the word 'God' has meant or been related to, EXACTLY?

Age wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 12:53 am

Nick_A wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 6:48 pm AGE

So, what exactly could do what God is said to be able to do?

"It is only the impossible that is possible for God. He has given over the possible to the mechanics of matter and the autonomy of his creatures." ~ Simone Weil.

Therefore, EXACTLY as I had envisioned.

So now, what is the name of the 'thing' that causes, creates, or provides 'the mechanics of matter', and, what is the name of the 'thing' that causes, creates, or provides 'the autonomy of creatures'?

And, could those 'things' just what the word 'God' has meant or been related to, EXACTLY?

“Papa's faith is people
Mama she believes in cleaning
Papa's faith is in people
Mama she's always cleaning
Papa brought home the sugar
Mama taught me the deeper meaning”
- Joni Mitchell

Comment:
The deeper meaning is found in the causes, effects and implications of cleaning (order, and ordering.)
Creation of order. Preservation of order. Destruction of order.
This causes all movement in the universe, even the “mechanics of matter,” referenced by Weil.
Each is necessary for the other.