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jayjacobus wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 10:23 pm The most pressing scientific progress is how to protect people from adverse events. The most difficult to deal with is genocide. If technology can come up with defensive equipment that thwarts killing and rapes, technology would prove its value.

Impenitent wrote: ↑Sat Nov 06, 2021 12:51 am

jayjacobus wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 10:23 pm The most pressing scientific progress is how to protect people from adverse events. The most difficult to deal with is genocide. If technology can come up with defensive equipment that thwarts killing and rapes, technology would prove its value.

Sam Colt was here

-Imp

Lariliss wrote: ↑Wed Nov 03, 2021 4:57 pm We are getting more and more exciting news on human achievements going to deep space exploration, challenging science missions to the Moon, Mars, Venus, Mercury. They are looking into the future and getting more popularity and discussions.
Celebrating all the achievements of 2019 - 2021.

At the same time the climate change subject is an urgent one.

Lariliss wrote: ↑Wed Nov 03, 2021 4:57 pm It needs fast action on already happened disasters,

Lariliss wrote: ↑Wed Nov 03, 2021 4:57 pm proactive plans and deeds for the nearest future.

Lariliss wrote: ↑Wed Nov 03, 2021 4:57 pm Being so keen to conquer other worlds, shouldn’t we think more about planet Earth?

Lariliss wrote: ↑Wed Nov 03, 2021 4:57 pm There are lots of things to do here in key scientific/technological areas: sea bed exploration, efficient land reclaim and use, power sources development.

Lariliss wrote: ↑Wed Nov 03, 2021 4:57 pm Intertwine of the Earth and space fields development is one of the key actions done. Space exploration is security from cosmos factors (solar activity, asteroid danger, debris impact).

Lariliss wrote: ↑Wed Nov 03, 2021 4:57 pm Satellites surveillance for local ecosystems and data collection for scientific research and fast action, global awareness on local issues, data connection - the more the better - should be in focus to bring valuable results. The page on space exploration science in favor of the Earth tells the story.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Nov 06, 2021 4:04 am So, to you, putting more human created space exploring debris/junk into space, which in turn could come back to impact on earth is security against debris impact, correct?

If no, then what are you saying here?

jayjacobus wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 10:23 pm The most pressing scientific progress is how to protect people from adverse events. The most difficult to deal with is genocide.

jayjacobus wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 10:23 pm If technology can come up with defensive equipment that thwarts killing and rapes, technology would prove its value.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Sat Nov 06, 2021 2:49 am

Impenitent wrote: ↑Sat Nov 06, 2021 12:51 am

jayjacobus wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 10:23 pm The most pressing scientific progress is how to protect people from adverse events. The most difficult to deal with is genocide. If technology can come up with defensive equipment that thwarts killing and rapes, technology would prove its value.

Sam Colt was here

-Imp

I favor Stoeger.

Lariliss wrote: ↑Tue Nov 16, 2021 11:59 am Thank you for amendments. It was not to be a huge article.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Nov 06, 2021 4:04 am So, to you, putting more human created space exploring debris/junk into space, which in turn could come back to impact on earth is security against debris impact, correct?

If no, then what are you saying here?

Both branches: space aimed and the Earth aimed are bound with the same or similar technologies and in may times are in the same missions.

Lariliss wrote: ↑Tue Nov 16, 2021 11:59 am One by one to make it comprehensive and convenient to read:
- Urgent are climate and pollution.

Lariliss wrote: ↑Tue Nov 16, 2021 11:59 am - Action with lessons learned to make better surveillance, reporting and safety measures for similar ones.

Lariliss wrote: ↑Tue Nov 16, 2021 11:59 am - "other worlds" = other planets and the Moon.

Lariliss wrote: ↑Tue Nov 16, 2021 11:59 am - Seabed exploration program till 2050 is aimed and natural resources mining. Reclaimed areas are the ones at local level (industrial outdated, which is being done in many big cities), on global level - deserted places.

Lariliss wrote: ↑Wed Nov 03, 2021 4:57 pm We are getting more and more exciting news on human achievements going to deep space exploration, challenging science missions to the Moon, Mars, Venus, Mercury. They are looking into the future and getting more popularity and discussions.
Celebrating all the achievements of 2019 - 2021.

At the same time the climate change subject is an urgent one. It needs fast action on already happened disasters, proactive plans and deeds for the nearest future.
Being so keen to conquer other worlds, shouldn’t we think more about planet Earth?

There are lots of things to do here in key scientific/technological areas: sea bed exploration, efficient land reclaim and use, power sources development.

Intertwine of the Earth and space fields development is one of the key actions done. Space exploration is security from cosmos factors (solar activity, asteroid danger, debris impact).

Satellites surveillance for local ecosystems and data collection for scientific research and fast action, global awareness on local issues, data connection - the more the better - should be in focus to bring valuable results. The page on space exploration science in favor of the Earth tells the story.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 10:52 am

Lariliss wrote: ↑Wed Nov 03, 2021 4:57 pm We are getting more and more exciting news on human achievements going to deep space exploration, challenging science missions to the Moon, Mars, Venus, Mercury. They are looking into the future and getting more popularity and discussions.
Celebrating all the achievements of 2019 - 2021.

At the same time the climate change subject is an urgent one. It needs fast action on already happened disasters, proactive plans and deeds for the nearest future.
Being so keen to conquer other worlds, shouldn’t we think more about planet Earth?

There are lots of things to do here in key scientific/technological areas: sea bed exploration, efficient land reclaim and use, power sources development.

Intertwine of the Earth and space fields development is one of the key actions done. Space exploration is security from cosmos factors (solar activity, asteroid danger, debris impact).

Satellites surveillance for local ecosystems and data collection for scientific research and fast action, global awareness on local issues, data connection - the more the better - should be in focus to bring valuable results. The page on space exploration science in favor of the Earth tells the story.

There is no good reason to send people into space outside earth orbit.
I predict that in the next 400 years the human race shall not have achieved an independant self sustaining colony anywhere outside earth's orbit.
The elephant in the room, that NASA do not tend to mention is just how hostile it is in space. Beyond earth it is simply too cold. Nearer the sun it is too hot. Venus has a massively dense corosive atmosphere and surface temperatures could easily melt lead. Mercury is a wasteland with no atmosphere.
Mars in the only candidate, but the surface temperature in the middle of summer at the equator at noon only just manages to reach room temperature, for a short while. The trip there is always going to be a 2 year journey, since there is the little problem of the sun being in the way for most of the time. You would have to take EVERYTHING with you.
You only have to consider the technology to have something as simply as a toothbrush to know that a colony is never going to be self sufficient. And the energy required to get there is enourmous, costly more than anything you could earn by going there.
Consider this.
If there was a mountain of gold bars on the Moon, it would not be economically viable to collect them.

Space is full of cosmic radiation. It has not air, no pressure. it is empty, it is dark.
By contrast humans have adapted to live in earth. Earth has everything we need to live. It recycles our very breath, our shit. Food just grows on trees, and walks about on the surface where is can be collected and cooked, with fire supplied by the rich oxygen atmosphere.
Earth has a range of temperatures, where humans have managed to live and thrive. It has rich aquatic resources, most immediately fit for human exploitation and drinking water literally FALLS FROM THE SKY.

There is no where known in the entire universe where any of this is available. And even if it were, it would take more than a life time to get there.

We have one earth and we are not looking after it.
We need to address that problem now.

Lariliss wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 11:12 am

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 10:52 am

Lariliss wrote: ↑Wed Nov 03, 2021 4:57 pm We are getting more and more exciting news on human achievements going to deep space exploration, challenging science missions to the Moon, Mars, Venus, Mercury. They are looking into the future and getting more popularity and discussions.
Celebrating all the achievements of 2019 - 2021.

At the same time the climate change subject is an urgent one. It needs fast action on already happened disasters, proactive plans and deeds for the nearest future.
Being so keen to conquer other worlds, shouldn’t we think more about planet Earth?

There are lots of things to do here in key scientific/technological areas: sea bed exploration, efficient land reclaim and use, power sources development.

Intertwine of the Earth and space fields development is one of the key actions done. Space exploration is security from cosmos factors (solar activity, asteroid danger, debris impact).

Satellites surveillance for local ecosystems and data collection for scientific research and fast action, global awareness on local issues, data connection - the more the better - should be in focus to bring valuable results. The page on space exploration science in favor of the Earth tells the story.

There is no good reason to send people into space outside earth orbit.
I predict that in the next 400 years the human race shall not have achieved an independant self sustaining colony anywhere outside earth's orbit.
The elephant in the room, that NASA do not tend to mention is just how hostile it is in space. Beyond earth it is simply too cold. Nearer the sun it is too hot. Venus has a massively dense corosive atmosphere and surface temperatures could easily melt lead. Mercury is a wasteland with no atmosphere.
Mars in the only candidate, but the surface temperature in the middle of summer at the equator at noon only just manages to reach room temperature, for a short while. The trip there is always going to be a 2 year journey, since there is the little problem of the sun being in the way for most of the time. You would have to take EVERYTHING with you.
You only have to consider the technology to have something as simply as a toothbrush to know that a colony is never going to be self sufficient. And the energy required to get there is enourmous, costly more than anything you could earn by going there.
Consider this.
If there was a mountain of gold bars on the Moon, it would not be economically viable to collect them.

Space is full of cosmic radiation. It has not air, no pressure. it is empty, it is dark.
By contrast humans have adapted to live in earth. Earth has everything we need to live. It recycles our very breath, our shit. Food just grows on trees, and walks about on the surface where is can be collected and cooked, with fire supplied by the rich oxygen atmosphere.
Earth has a range of temperatures, where humans have managed to live and thrive. It has rich aquatic resources, most immediately fit for human exploitation and drinking water literally FALLS FROM THE SKY.

There is no where known in the entire universe where any of this is available. And even if it were, it would take more than a life time to get there.

We have one earth and we are not looking after it.
We need to address that problem now.

Exactly, we need to address and address again.
Quoting William Shatner after his flight: there is light and life below and there is darkness and cold above.
Thank you.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:50 pm They have researched no new technology and rely on research done decades ago by NASA.

They conribute massively to global warming. They are a rich man's toy. Useless

Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:45 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:50 pm They have researched no new technology and rely on research done decades ago by NASA.

They conribute massively to global warming. They are a rich man's toy. Useless

Errr. What?

The Blue Origin rocket doesn't use carbon-based fuels. Its main emmissions are water vapour and a handful of byproducts none of which are carbon dioxide. In what way does it "contribute massively to global warming"?

Both SpaceX and Blue Origin have reusable (self-landing!) primary thrusters! When the fuck did NASA do that?

Far more importantly. WHY would NASA even bother to do that? They weren't spending their own money - cost-optimisation gimmicks like self-landing rockets weren't important to them back then.