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NO.trokanmariel wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 11:28 pm If a person works in a supermarket and is a Scream fan, are they a Scream fan as they work in a supermarket? (Scream as in the Scream movies)
You could be right, and I have actually wondered if Trokenmariel is pulling our legs.FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 11:35 am You know that thing people do sometimes where they submit a gibberish paper to an esteemed scientific journal to see if it will get published even though it's total bollocks? That's what trokenmariel is doing to you guys, why are so many of you biting?
Yes.trokanmariel wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 11:28 pm If a person works in a supermarket and is a Scream fan, are they a Scream fan as they work in a supermarket? (Scream as in the Scream movies)
If there can't be such a thing as a Scream fan, it stands to reason that there can't be any such thing as a capitalist or socialistAge wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 8:41 amNO.trokanmariel wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 11:28 pm If a person works in a supermarket and is a Scream fan, are they a Scream fan as they work in a supermarket? (Scream as in the Scream movies)
EVERY human being is a human being, which does and thinks things.
There is NO such actual 'thing' as a "scream fan". There are, however, some human beings who enjoy some movies, like for example, the "scream" movies. And, some of these human beings work in supermarkets, some times.
How so?henry quirk wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 2:03 pmYes.trokanmariel wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 11:28 pm If a person works in a supermarket and is a Scream fan, are they a Scream fan as they work in a supermarket? (Scream as in the Scream movies)
Joe can be a fan of Scream while workin' in the grocery, while sittin' on the toilet, while drivin' on the highway, or while bangin' the fat chick he picked in the bar.trokanmariel wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 3:10 pmHow so?henry quirk wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 2:03 pmYes.trokanmariel wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 11:28 pm If a person works in a supermarket and is a Scream fan, are they a Scream fan as they work in a supermarket? (Scream as in the Scream movies)
(Thanks for the answer, by the way)
Impenitent wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 3:30 pm screaming into fans makes your voice sounds funny
the market isn't a supermarket unless it wears a cape...
-Imp
Your take on personal identity is objective; mine was subjective. I mean that to objectively identify I might note circumstantial evidence such as works in Walmart or writes nonsence on the forum, or "The most average lover". The most conclusive way to identify someone is DNA profile, or perhaps dentition records.FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 12:41 pm I'm fairly meh on the question of whether personal identitiy should be described as some collection of mere physical facts about a blob of flesh sitting in a prticular chair, or should be a matter of some woo-woo investigation of all the things we dream, say and eat. For me it's a set of language games with the rules being relevant only according to a context.
So for instance when we say "TK is the guy who writes nonsense of forums because he's toying with B" not much is needed for us to meaningfully identify TK and B. TKs wife, husband or fleshlight would have a different descriptive context when saying "TK is the most overwhelmingly average lover I have ever encountered" and the language game in action there would imply more about the nature of what counts as a personal identity for the purpose of such a proposition.
Stuff about whether to use a descriptive context suitable for one sort of language game within the rules of another, or to aggregate all such contexts into some unworkable and meaningless whole doesn't put a breeze up my skirt personally.
I identify myself as a Scream fan as do the others who work here."
But what if his activities of the moment are about negating his likes?henry quirk wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 3:29 pmJoe can be a fan of Scream while workin' in the grocery, while sittin' on the toilet, while drivin' on the highway, or while bangin' the fat chick he picked in the bar.
His activities of the moment don't negate his likes.
You are still organising a subject and a predicate into a proposition, that's just another of the available language games to which I was referring, it just happens to be one of the inumerable ones from the internal perspective.Belinda wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:06 pmYour take on personal identity is objective; mine was subjective. I mean that to objectively identify I might note circumstantial evidence such as works in Walmart or writes nonsence on the forum, or "The most average lover". The most conclusive way to identify someone is DNA profile, or perhaps dentition records.FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 12:41 pm I'm fairly meh on the question of whether personal identitiy should be described as some collection of mere physical facts about a blob of flesh sitting in a prticular chair, or should be a matter of some woo-woo investigation of all the things we dream, say and eat. For me it's a set of language games with the rules being relevant only according to a context.
So for instance when we say "TK is the guy who writes nonsense of forums because he's toying with B" not much is needed for us to meaningfully identify TK and B. TKs wife, husband or fleshlight would have a different descriptive context when saying "TK is the most overwhelmingly average lover I have ever encountered" and the language game in action there would imply more about the nature of what counts as a personal identity for the purpose of such a proposition.
Stuff about whether to use a descriptive context suitable for one sort of language game within the rules of another, or to aggregate all such contexts into some unworkable and meaningless whole doesn't put a breeze up my skirt personally.
My take on personal identity which is closer to the supermarket scenario is subjective personal identity i.e. "who do I think I am?"or "I identify myself as a Scream fan as do the others who work here."