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RCSaunders wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:02 pmThere is no, "system," no accepted authority.

RCSaunders wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:02 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 8:21 am

RCSaunders wrote: ↑Sun Aug 22, 2021 6:04 pm The circulation of the blood, the existence of bacteria and microscopic life, the nature of all the chemical elements, the nature of electricity, and aerodynamics (or do you think heavier than air human flight is still in question), for example. Those aspects of reality that have been discovered and their nature identified are lumped together and called science, because many of them are interrelated, but there is no thing, no ideology, no kind of preordained system called science.

It's stupid philosophers and academics who have attempted to turn science into another one of their ideologies they can corrupt and have, unfortunately, had some success in doing it.

Which you have brilliantly illustrated, VA, with this horse-pucky:

In essence it is not that things are lumped together and called science.
What is science is grounded on a Framework, System and Methods of knowledge [FSK] identified as Science.

Whatever output of Knowledge from the Scientific FSK as grounded therein [thus Objective] must always be qualified to that specific FSK and can never be absolutely independent knowledge.

But the ground of the scientific FSK is subjective, i.e. dependent on the work and consensus of scientists as subjects....

That is exactly the kind of academic nonsense that is destroying any real science and turning it into some kind of religious ideology. It's why you neglected to quote the first part of my post:

There is no, "system," no accepted authority. There is no, "thing," called science, like a religion or ideology. There are only things which have been discovered and are known to be true and the entire technological world is the evidence of the certainty of that knowledge.

There is hardly anything more obscene than someone from the totally failed field of philosophy criticising the totally successful field of science. Just one more thing being spewed out of the cesspool of academia.

• A system is a group of interacting or interrelated elements that act according to a set of rules to form a unified whole.[1] A system, surrounded and influenced by its environment, is described by its boundaries, structure and purpose and expressed in its functioning. Systems are the subjects of study of systems theory.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 7:04 am My response to the above.

I stated what is ideological with Science is Scientism, don't you know that.

As for scientific knowledge [outputs] cannot emerge without any System that take in inputs and process them to be outputs.

Note 'System"

• A system is a group of interacting or interrelated elements that act according to a set of rules to form a unified whole.[1] A system, surrounded and influenced by its environment, is described by its boundaries, structure and purpose and expressed in its functioning. Systems are the subjects of study of systems theory.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System

It is not imperative that a system must have any authority.
Your digestive system do not need your authority to churn out the food to take in as shit.
[ a good analogy for the arrogant points you raised above]

You still insist science is not subjected to a system?

RCSaunders wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 1:44 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 7:04 am My response to the above.

I stated what is ideological with Science is Scientism, don't you know that.

As for scientific knowledge [outputs] cannot emerge without any System that take in inputs and process them to be outputs.

Note 'System"

• A system is a group of interacting or interrelated elements that act according to a set of rules to form a unified whole.[1] A system, surrounded and influenced by its environment, is described by its boundaries, structure and purpose and expressed in its functioning. Systems are the subjects of study of systems theory.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System

It is not imperative that a system must have any authority.
Your digestive system do not need your authority to churn out the food to take in as shit.
[ a good analogy for the arrogant points you raised above]

You still insist science is not subjected to a system?

I don't insist anything. Believe any idiotic thing you like. The objectively discovered facts of reality on which all successful technology is based is called, "science," to differentiate those things from the mystic nonsense the dominates the pseudo-intellectualism of the day, but there is no formal, "thing," with some academically dictated method called, "science."