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Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:08 am If reality is an illusion and there is only nothing then no truth exists and this is a truth thus resulting in a contradiction which exists.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 6:30 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:08 am If reality is an illusion and there is only nothing then no truth exists and this is a truth thus resulting in a contradiction which exists.

Truth and Non-Truth are the same Truth.

Not-Knowing Knowing - is the same Knowing.

Contradiction is an unavoidable aspect within the realm of conceptual knowledge, which is an appearance of nothing seemingly something, which is the same reality.

For example: Hot is only known to be hot because it's not cold. Up is only known because Down is not up, and up is not down. Yet both up and down exist within the same reality.

There are no contradictions in reality, or nature, or whatever. Contradictions are within the realm of knowledge, which can only point to the illusory nature of existence.

Reality cannot be known conceptually, because it's ONE without a second. Which means it's both real and unreal in the same instant.

Attempting to know reality is futile. To know would require being split into two, a knower and a known...such a split is impossible, because there is only one reality.

1 or one is known as the conceptual understanding of zero, therefore all subsequent numbers are imaginary, in other words, there is no other numerical unit outside of what is always a zero reality.

That which appears to live never dies. And that which appears to die never lives.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 11:55 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 6:30 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:08 am If reality is an illusion and there is only nothing then no truth exists and this is a truth thus resulting in a contradiction which exists.

Truth and Non-Truth are the same Truth.

Not-Knowing Knowing - is the same Knowing.

Contradiction is an unavoidable aspect within the realm of conceptual knowledge, which is an appearance of nothing seemingly something, which is the same reality.

For example: Hot is only known to be hot because it's not cold. Up is only known because Down is not up, and up is not down. Yet both up and down exist within the same reality.

There are no contradictions in reality, or nature, or whatever. Contradictions are within the realm of knowledge, which can only point to the illusory nature of existence.

Reality cannot be known conceptually, because it's ONE without a second. Which means it's both real and unreal in the same instant.

Attempting to know reality is futile. To know would require being split into two, a knower and a known...such a split is impossible, because there is only one reality.

1 or one is known as the conceptual understanding of zero, therefore all subsequent numbers are imaginary, in other words, there is no other numerical unit outside of what is always a zero reality.

That which appears to live never dies. And that which appears to die never lives.

1. If contradiction is unavoidable in conceptual knowledge then one cannot say "contradiction is unavoidable in conceptual knowledge" as this is a concept and if a concept then contradicts itself. Any words about the reality of being existing without contradiction is in itself a contradiction as conceptualization occurs therefore contradiction is a part of reality.

2. To say there is truth is to conceptualize knowledge existing as knowledge. Illusions are a subset of existence thus are existing and as existing are real in the respect they are derived from what is true. 2+2=5 may observe a contradiction yet this contradiction does not negate the fact that "2", "+", "=" and "5" exist.

3. To know reality as unsplit contradicts what you say in stating "knowing reality is futile".

4. To say all reduces to zero is to create a dichotomy with 1. To say all is nothing requires the dualism of all is something. To state all conceptual knowledge is imaginary is to create the dualism of non conceptual knowledge as real thus a contradiction occurs.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 7:59 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 11:55 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 6:30 am

Truth and Non-Truth are the same Truth.

Not-Knowing Knowing - is the same Knowing.

Contradiction is an unavoidable aspect within the realm of conceptual knowledge, which is an appearance of nothing seemingly something, which is the same reality.

For example: Hot is only known to be hot because it's not cold. Up is only known because Down is not up, and up is not down. Yet both up and down exist within the same reality.

There are no contradictions in reality, or nature, or whatever. Contradictions are within the realm of knowledge, which can only point to the illusory nature of existence.

Reality cannot be known conceptually, because it's ONE without a second. Which means it's both real and unreal in the same instant.

Attempting to know reality is futile. To know would require being split into two, a knower and a known...such a split is impossible, because there is only one reality.

1 or one is known as the conceptual understanding of zero, therefore all subsequent numbers are imaginary, in other words, there is no other numerical unit outside of what is always a zero reality.

That which appears to live never dies. And that which appears to die never lives.

1. If contradiction is unavoidable in conceptual knowledge then one cannot say "contradiction is unavoidable in conceptual knowledge" as this is a concept and if a concept then contradicts itself. Any words about the reality of being existing without contradiction is in itself a contradiction as conceptualization occurs therefore contradiction is a part of reality.

2. To say there is truth is to conceptualize knowledge existing as knowledge. Illusions are a subset of existence thus are existing and as existing are real in the respect they are derived from what is true. 2+2=5 may observe a contradiction yet this contradiction does not negate the fact that "2", "+", "=" and "5" exist.

3. To know reality as unsplit contradicts what you say in stating "knowing reality is futile".

4. To say all reduces to zero is to create a dichotomy with 1. To say all is nothing requires the dualism of all is something. To state all conceptual knowledge is imaginary is to create the dualism of non conceptual knowledge as real thus a contradiction occurs.

'Contradiction' is a concept known...within knowledge.

For example: ....Knowledge is known as this immediate direct experience of ''KNOWING''.

Who knows?...the answer comes...I know.... which is immediately KNOWN...In this immediate Not-knowing - knowing.
Notice I've had to include a 'NOT' here?

Natures doesn't need to know in order to be.
Nature doesn't ask questions, it just is.
Questions can only arise to the sense of a separate self who wants to know something. The sense of separation is the illusion of duality in a nondual reality.


I've added the 'NOT' to place emphasis on the importance of opposites. By association a concept known has no meaning without it's complimentry opposite being present in the exact same knowledge known, by the same one 'KNOWING'
The contradiction NOT knowing knowing...is illusory, because all there is in every moment is an immediate direct knowing which has no opposition, there is ONLY knowing.

Think about where knowledge comes from. It's origin is born of 'SOUND' which is then heard as words, and concepts with attached associated meaning added. .Knowledge is nothing more than an echo of pure silence.

The real truth behind Nature or Reality is that it has no concept of contradiction. Nature or Reality has no need for knowledge, it just is.

Knowledge is only a tool used by man as a means and a way to communicate and make sense of what is essentially at it's core, the inane and blank NOTHINGness of beingness itself.


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Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:51 pm
1. Yet a contradiction is an absence of knowledge and as an absence of knowledge is no knowledge.

2. Knowledge is the pattern through which being occurs. The spider, elephant, etc. all exhibits patterns through which they behave. Dually a piece of dirt exhibits a pattern. The universe as self aware necessitates all of being as having some facet of "knowing" thus consciousness.

3. There is only knowing necessitates the dual state of not knowing occuring. Any localization of one facet of being, even the localization of observing all within one's perspective, requires a dual state where something is not observed. All acts of knowing have a dual state where something is unknown.

4. Knowledge is the observation of patterns. To observe an absence of patterns is to observe the root form of a single point from which all originates. In observing the point one is observing from a point of view thus a division of points occur resulting in the formation of a line or circle through which observation occurs. We observe things circularly or linearly (ie observation is projected onto something, observation is recieved from something).

5. Knowledge is the assumption of axioms where the axiom is accepted "as is". The "isness" of the universe, accepted for what it is, is knowledge.

6. If being is blank this blankness exists as a dual to radiance (as the expression of pure form directed in all directions simultaneously). One cannot say reality is blank without resulting in a dual to this blankness.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 6:54 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:51 pm
1. Yet a contradiction is an absence of knowledge and as an absence of knowledge is no knowledge.

2. Knowledge is the pattern through which being occurs. The spider, elephant, etc. all exhibits patterns through which they behave. Dually a piece of dirt exhibits a pattern. The universe as self aware necessitates all of being as having some facet of "knowing" thus consciousness.

3. There is only knowing necessitates the dual state of not knowing occuring. Any localization of one facet of being, even the localization of observing all within one's perspective, requires a dual state where something is not observed. All acts of knowing have a dual state where something is unknown.

4. Knowledge is the observation of patterns. To observe an absence of patterns is to observe the root form of a single point from which all originates. In observing the point one is observing from a point of view thus a division of points occur resulting in the formation of a line or circle through which observation occurs. We observe things circularly or linearly (ie observation is projected onto something, observation is recieved from something).

5. Knowledge is the assumption of axioms where the axiom is accepted "as is". The "isness" of the universe, accepted for what it is, is knowledge.

6. If being is blank this blankness exists as a dual to radiance (as the expression of pure form directed in all directions simultaneously). One cannot say reality is blank without resulting in a dual to this blankness.

You say it I say it...

All just different expressions of the same one reality....that's all.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 9:46 pm
If expressions are part of reality and there are different expressions then there are multiple realities.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 9:46 pm This observation of multiple realities relating in turn summates under one reality as the totality of everything.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 9:46 pm Thus there are both one and many realities resulting in a dualism.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 9:46 pm This dualism as the relation between the one and the many results in a triad. Reality is thus non dual but not one.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:08 am If reality is an illusion and there is only nothing then no truth exists and this is a truth thus resulting in a contradiction which exists.

DPMartin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 3:43 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:08 am If reality is an illusion and there is only nothing then no truth exists and this is a truth thus resulting in a contradiction which exists.

the truth is the truth no matter what the truth is, therefore there is a reality that is not a lie.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 5:41 am

DPMartin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 3:43 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:08 am If reality is an illusion and there is only nothing then no truth exists and this is a truth thus resulting in a contradiction which exists.

the truth is the truth no matter what the truth is, therefore there is a reality that is not a lie.

Reality can never inform itself of it's existence. Knowledge can only point to the illusory nature of reality, in that knowlegde is emptiness at it's fundamental core. That knowledge does appear to be full of substance, is the illusion. Heck, even Uncle Albert Einstein figured that out.

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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 6:21 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 9:46 pm
If expressions are part of reality and there are different expressions then there are multiple realities.

I wouldn't say multiple realities. Multiple, meaning many interpretations of one reality. There is only one Reality, in the same context there is only one observer, but many observations. In the same context there is only one reader, but many authors.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 9:46 pm This observation of multiple realities relating in turn summates under one reality as the totality of everything.

Yes, the observation of the many observed things, ie: every thing, is indeed the many of the one everything.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 9:46 pm Thus there are both one and many realities resulting in a dualism.

I would say it different, in that there are many interpretations of one reality ( duality)
Reality being the fundamental ground of everything, all things ( Nonduality)

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 9:46 pm This dualism as the relation between the one and the many results in a triad. Reality is thus non dual but not one.

I do not understand what you are saying, or what you mean by making this statement.

My understanding is that Reality is Non-dual, meaning it's one not two. That Nondual reality, does appear as two, a duality, it is merely a tool used by oneness to triangulate itself in the dream and assume a location, and that's the illusion.

You mention ''a triad'' ... what does that even mean to you?

DPMartin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 3:43 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:08 am If reality is an illusion and there is only nothing then no truth exists and this is a truth thus resulting in a contradiction which exists.

the truth is the truth no matter what the truth is, therefore there is a reality that is not a lie.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 5:41 am

DPMartin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 3:43 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:08 am If reality is an illusion and there is only nothing then no truth exists and this is a truth thus resulting in a contradiction which exists.

the truth is the truth no matter what the truth is, therefore there is a reality that is not a lie.

Reality can never inform itself of it's existence. Knowledge can only point to the illusory nature of reality, in that knowlegde is emptiness at it's fundamental core. That knowledge does appear to be full of substance, is the illusion. Heck, even Uncle Albert Einstein figured that out.

.