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Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:02 am To argue that God does not exist is to first define what God is thus resulting in the concept of God. God then exists as a concept therefore has an existence. To negate something is to first admit it exists in some form or function.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:02 am To argue that God does not exist is to first define what God is thus resulting in the concept of God. God then exists as a concept therefore has an existence. To negate something is to first admit it exists in some form or function.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:57 am The negator cannot be negated.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:19 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:57 am The negator cannot be negated.

I can choose to negate the negator. I do not exist!
I can choose not to negate the negator. I exist!

I can choose to do anything I want with expression.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:26 am There is no I or chooser of expression, except in this conception. You cannot not exist.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:26 am How many more times shall we go round this merry-go-round.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:28 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:26 am There is no I or chooser of expression, except in this conception. You cannot not exist.

I can. In a different conception of "existence" and "non-existence"

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:26 am How many more times shall we go round this merry-go-round.

Infinitely many. Till you understand that any premise you lay forth as law is a restriction upon my thought.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:33 am You cannot know you do not exist - you can only know you do exist through thought which is an illusion, and so you cannot even know you exist except in this illusory conception.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:45 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:33 am You cannot know you do not exist - you can only know you do exist through thought which is an illusion, and so you cannot even know you exist except in this illusory conception.

Knowing whether I exist or not depends on the conception of "existence".

I exist in one sense.
I don't exist in another.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:46 am

Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:45 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:33 am You cannot know you do not exist - you can only know you do exist through thought which is an illusion, and so you cannot even know you exist except in this illusory conception.

Knowing whether I exist or not depends on the conception of "existence".

I exist in one sense.
I don't exist in another.

Yes.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:47 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:46 am

Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:45 am
Knowing whether I exist or not depends on the conception of "existence".

I exist in one sense.
I don't exist in another.

Yes.

it also depends on the conception of "knowledge".

I know I exist in one sense of knowledge.
I don't know I exist in another sense of knowledge.

So which sense of "existence" and "knowledge" do you have in mind?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:57 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:02 am To argue that God does not exist is to first define what God is thus resulting in the concept of God. God then exists as a concept therefore has an existence. To negate something is to first admit it exists in some form or function.

The negator cannot be negated.

The negator is 'Nothing' appearing as 'Everything/Something'.

Knowledge therefore, is a zero sum phenomena, it's a fictional imposition upon the real.

Sensation is the only reality. Pain is here to stay as long as sentience is a reality. No God can wipe away pain, until that God wipes every sentient creature off the face of the planet.

Religion lied to us. It was used as a tool to control the human mind, it was / is a human psyop.

Being is vastly overrated. It's like walking into a casino with the hope to win the jackpot, while most likely leaving without a dime.

Humans have difficulty accepting the reality that there are no winners here, no God is the only God.




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Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:16 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:02 am To argue that God does not exist is to first define what God is thus resulting in the concept of God. God then exists as a concept therefore has an existence. To negate something is to first admit it exists in some form or function.

To argue that anything does or does not exist is to define what "existence" is" thus resulting in the concept of existence.
To argue that functions do or don't exist is to define what a function is thus resulting in the concept of a function.