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Everything would be simultaneous if cause and effect coincide. The reality is however temporal, therefore effect occurs after cause.

bahman wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:47 am Everything would be simultaneous if cause and effect coincide. The reality is however temporal, therefore effect occurs after cause.

Effect occurs after cause, without actual separation. But so what?

Age wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 12:47 am

bahman wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:47 am Everything would be simultaneous if cause and effect coincide. The reality is however temporal, therefore effect occurs after cause.

Effect occurs after cause, without actual separation. But so what?

Of course, there is an actual separation otherwise they coincide.

bahman wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:05 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 12:47 am

bahman wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:47 am Everything would be simultaneous if cause and effect coincide. The reality is however temporal, therefore effect occurs after cause.

Effect occurs after cause, without actual separation. But so what?

Of course, there is an actual separation otherwise they coincide.

IF there is an ACTUAL SEPARATION, then what EXACTLY IS that ACTUAL SEPARATION?

Age wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:10 am

bahman wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:05 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 12:47 am

Effect occurs after cause, without actual separation. But so what?

Of course, there is an actual separation otherwise they coincide.

IF there is an ACTUAL SEPARATION, then what EXACTLY IS that ACTUAL SEPARATION?

There is mind and nothing else during the separation.

bahman wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:53 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:10 am

bahman wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:05 am
Of course, there is an actual separation otherwise they coincide.

IF there is an ACTUAL SEPARATION, then what EXACTLY IS that ACTUAL SEPARATION?

There is mind and nothing else during the separation.

You have, AGAIN, OBVIOUSLY MISUNDERSTOOD the question. Or, you are just 'trying to' DEFLECT.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 3:47 am

bahman wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:53 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:10 am

IF there is an ACTUAL SEPARATION, then what EXACTLY IS that ACTUAL SEPARATION?

There is mind and nothing else during the separation.

You have, AGAIN, OBVIOUSLY MISUNDERSTOOD the question. Or, you are just 'trying to' DEFLECT.

I answered your question. There is nothing but mind.

bahman wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 5:00 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 3:47 am

bahman wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:53 am
There is mind and nothing else during the separation.

You have, AGAIN, OBVIOUSLY MISUNDERSTOOD the question. Or, you are just 'trying to' DEFLECT.

I answered your question. There is nothing but mind.

So, to you, 'mind' is separation, correct?

Age wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 5:14 am

bahman wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 5:00 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 3:47 am

You have, AGAIN, OBVIOUSLY MISUNDERSTOOD the question. Or, you are just 'trying to' DEFLECT.

I answered your question. There is nothing but mind.

So, to you, 'mind' is separation, correct?

No, mind exist during separation.

bahman wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:28 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 5:14 am

bahman wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 5:00 am
I answered your question. There is nothing but mind.

So, to you, 'mind' is separation, correct?

No, mind exist during separation.

If this is your answer, then you OBVIOUSLY did MISUNDERSTAND my question.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:30 am

bahman wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:28 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 5:14 am

So, to you, 'mind' is separation, correct?

No, mind exist during separation.

If this is your answer, then you OBVIOUSLY did MISUNDERSTAND my question.

No, I didn't. There is nothing during that interval except the mind.

bahman wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:52 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:30 am

bahman wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:28 am
No, mind exist during separation.

If this is your answer, then you OBVIOUSLY did MISUNDERSTAND my question.

No, I didn't. There is nothing during that interval except the mind.

But I NEVER asked ANY thing about what is 'during the interval', nor 'during' separation.

I asked, what EXACTLY IS the ACTUAL separation? In other words, what is 'IT' that IS the ACTUAL separation?

Imagining simultaneous cause and effect tells us that the concepts of cause and effect aren't understood.

Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 9:43 am Imagining simultaneous cause and effect tells us that the concepts of cause and effect aren't understood.

By who?

bahman wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:47 am Everything would be simultaneous if cause and effect coincide. The reality is however temporal, therefore effect occurs after cause.

Don't worry about it.There is no such thing as cause and effect. Its the simpleminded fiction invention of Hume and the way "cause," is understood by school children.