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Here is an
"Open Letter from the International Board of Directors of RZIM on the Investigation of Ravi Zacharias"
which found Ravi Zacharias guilty of sexual crimes against many female followers of his.

Following allegations made in late August of 2020 that Ravi had engaged in sexual misconduct and abuse in connection with two day spas, we commissioned Miller & Martin PLLC, a law firm with experience in corporate and sex crimes investigations, to conduct an independent investigation.

To be victimized by unwanted sexual contact, advances, and behavior is horrendous.
It is diametrically opposed to everything we believe about the value and dignity of every single person.

We believe not only the women who made their allegations public but also additional women who had not previously made public allegations against Ravi but whose identities and stories were uncovered during the investigation.
Tragically, witnesses described encounters including sexting, unwanted touching, spiritual abuse, and rape.

We are devastated by what the investigation has shown and are filled with sorrow for the women who were hurt by this terrible abuse.

https://www.rzim.org/read/rzim-updates/board-statement

Where was the supposedly all powerful and benevolent God to prevent Ravi from committing his crimes and imposed terrible sufferings upon his Christian victims?

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 11:21 am Where was the supposedly all powerful and benevolent God to prevent Ravi from committing his crimes and imposed terrible sufferings upon his Christian victims?

Your whinging amounts to asking "Where was Objective Morality in preventing it?"

You keep insisting that moral rules are only guides/suggestions, and you've been explicit in that objective moral rules are NOT to be enforced. And then you criticise others because their moral codes are not enforced.

Hypocrite.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 11:21 am Here is an
"Open Letter from the International Board of Directors of RZIM on the Investigation of Ravi Zacharias"
which found Ravi Zacharias guilty of sexual crimes against many female followers of his.

Following allegations made in late August of 2020 that Ravi had engaged in sexual misconduct and abuse in connection with two day spas, we commissioned Miller & Martin PLLC, a law firm with experience in corporate and sex crimes investigations, to conduct an independent investigation.

To be victimized by unwanted sexual contact, advances, and behavior is horrendous.
It is diametrically opposed to everything we believe about the value and dignity of every single person.

We believe not only the women who made their allegations public but also additional women who had not previously made public allegations against Ravi but whose identities and stories were uncovered during the investigation.
Tragically, witnesses described encounters including sexting, unwanted touching, spiritual abuse, and rape.

We are devastated by what the investigation has shown and are filled with sorrow for the women who were hurt by this terrible abuse.

https://www.rzim.org/read/rzim-updates/board-statement

Where was the supposedly all powerful and benevolent God to prevent Ravi from committing his crimes and imposed terrible sufferings upon his Christian victims?

Can 'you', human beings, NOT control "your" own 'selves'? You were asking were was some 'thing' to 'prevent' this one person from doing what they did.

Do 'you' also, "veritas aequitas" NEED some 'thing' to 'prevent' you from doing the WRONG that you do also?

WHY can 'you' NOT just STOP doing the WRONG that you continually do? WHY do you want, or expect, some other 'thing' to 'prevent' you from committing the WRONG that you do and will do?

The ALL powerful and benevolent God was, where It ALWAYS IS.

The ALL powerful and benevolent God is just an Energy, which is ALWAYS instructing and guiding. It is NOT a 'thing' which uses 'force' to MAKE 'you', human beings, do things that you do NOT voluntarily want to do anyway.

God is instructing and guiding ALL of 'you' ALWAYS to what is right and wrong in Life, that is; Objective Morality, but whether ANY one of 'you' wants to LISTEN and to FOLLOW this advice and guidance is a WHOLE OTHER MATTER.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 11:21 am Where was the supposedly all powerful and benevolent God to prevent Ravi from committing his crimes and imposed terrible sufferings upon his Christian victims?

Not sure what U R attempting to get at, but Y not bring Bill Clinton into the fray - U do know that Monica Lewinski was (although it happened) a diversion for ALL the rapes he did to other women that he managed to settle out of court.

Blame GOD? oooH - U R SO WISE.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:04 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 11:21 am Where was the supposedly all powerful and benevolent God to prevent Ravi from committing his crimes and imposed terrible sufferings upon his Christian victims?

Not sure what U R attempting to get at, but Y not bring Bill Clinton into the fray - U do know that Monica Lewinski was (although it happened) a diversion for ALL the rapes he did to other women that he managed to settle out of court.

Blame GOD? oooH - U R SO WISE.

Bill Clinton is a famous political personality not a famous Christian preacher.
Ravi Zacharias was a very famous Christian apologist who promote himself as very pure, chaste, modest, and the likes like Christ.

If Ravi is so close to God as he claimed to be and supported by thousands of followers, how come God did not help him with his lust and the evils acts he had committed.

Point is there is no God in the first place.
The belief in a God is a personal psychological matter as a consonance to relieve the existential dissonances.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:17 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:04 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 11:21 am Where was the supposedly all powerful and benevolent God to prevent Ravi from committing his crimes and imposed terrible sufferings upon his Christian victims?

Not sure what U R attempting to get at, but Y not bring Bill Clinton into the fray - U do know that Monica Lewinski was (although it happened) a diversion for ALL the rapes he did to other women that he managed to settle out of court.

Blame GOD? oooH - U R SO WISE.

Bill Clinton is a famous political personality not a famous Christian preacher.
Ravi Zacharias was a very famous Christian apologist who promote himself as very pure, chaste, modest, and the likes like Christ.

If Ravi is so close to God as he claimed to be and supported by thousands of followers, how come God did not help him with his lust and the evils acts he had committed.

1. Do you really think (in your case "IF" there is a God) that Ravi was a person God respected?
2. RE Gods omni-benevolence that you continue to insist - have you missed many many parts of the OT?
3. There is a reason for DOUBT. Try and work out Y - God is quite happy to have 'souls' converted to no longer being 'wo/man' - destination 666.
4. Do you get the feeling Ravi was a liar?

I've personally never heard of what sounds like a pig.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:26 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:17 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:04 pm

Not sure what U R attempting to get at, but Y not bring Bill Clinton into the fray - U do know that Monica Lewinski was (although it happened) a diversion for ALL the rapes he did to other women that he managed to settle out of court.

Blame GOD? oooH - U R SO WISE.

Bill Clinton is a famous political personality not a famous Christian preacher.
Ravi Zacharias was a very famous Christian apologist who promote himself as very pure, chaste, modest, and the likes like Christ.

If Ravi is so close to God as he claimed to be and supported by thousands of followers, how come God did not help him with his lust and the evils acts he had committed.

1. Do you really think (in your case "IF" there is a God) that Ravi was a person God respected?
2. RE Gods omni-benevolence that you continue to insist - have you missed many many parts of the OT?
3. There is a reason for DOUBT. Try and work out Y - God is quite happy to have 'souls' converted to no longer being 'wo/man' - destination 666.
4. Do you get the feeling Ravi was a liar?

I've personally never heard of what sounds like a pig.

1 & 4. The supposed God is supposed to be omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent, thus would have known and has the power to communicate to Ravi in his dreams or anywhere anytime to warn and demanded he repented with reference to his sexual sins and lying or else God will punished him more severely than others.
God could have suppressed and enable him to modulate his lust in the first place.

2. For Christians, whatever that is evil in the NT is abrogated by the NT's pacifism.

The above contradiction is due to the fact that the idea of God is merely an empty thought of illusion which is critical to be a consonance to deal with the existential dissonance. This is why the concept of soteriology [promise of salvation] is such a critical element within the major theistic holy text.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 4:19 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:26 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:17 am
Bill Clinton is a famous political personality not a famous Christian preacher.
Ravi Zacharias was a very famous Christian apologist who promote himself as very pure, chaste, modest, and the likes like Christ.

If Ravi is so close to God as he claimed to be and supported by thousands of followers, how come God did not help him with his lust and the evils acts he had committed.

1. Do you really think (in your case "IF" there is a God) that Ravi was a person God respected?
2. RE Gods omni-benevolence that you continue to insist - have you missed many many parts of the OT?
3. There is a reason for DOUBT. Try and work out Y - God is quite happy to have 'souls' converted to no longer being 'wo/man' - destination 666.
4. Do you get the feeling Ravi was a liar?

I've personally never heard of what sounds like a pig.

1 & 4. The supposed God is supposed to be omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent, thus would have known and has the power to communicate to Ravi in his dreams or anywhere anytime to warn and demanded he repented with reference to his sexual sins and lying or else God will punished him more severely than others.
God could have suppressed and enable him to modulate his lust in the first place.

2. For Christians, whatever that is evil in the NT is abrogated by the NT's pacifism.

The above contradiction is due to the fact that the idea of God is merely an empty thought of illusion which is critical to be a consonance to deal with the existential dissonance. This is why the concept of soteriology [promise of salvation] is such a critical element within the major theistic holy text.

Ya, woteva - God will fuck up Ravi - as to his victims - try the suffering that God went through in comparison, not only to form a reality we could exist in, but to get nailed and die to give faith to those that believe in the words he uttered as Christ.

The problem you have, and it is an argument MANY atheists make, is that you expect with such omni'woteva' that we therefore should have some perfect world - eg Heaven for ALL right now.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 4:29 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 4:19 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:26 am

1. Do you really think (in your case "IF" there is a God) that Ravi was a person God respected?
2. RE Gods omni-benevolence that you continue to insist - have you missed many many parts of the OT?
3. There is a reason for DOUBT. Try and work out Y - God is quite happy to have 'souls' converted to no longer being 'wo/man' - destination 666.
4. Do you get the feeling Ravi was a liar?

I've personally never heard of what sounds like a pig.

1 & 4. The supposed God is supposed to be omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent, thus would have known and has the power to communicate to Ravi in his dreams or anywhere anytime to warn and demanded he repented with reference to his sexual sins and lying or else God will punished him more severely than others.
God could have suppressed and enable him to modulate his lust in the first place.

2. For Christians, whatever that is evil in the NT is abrogated by the NT's pacifism.

The above contradiction is due to the fact that the idea of God is merely an empty thought of illusion which is critical to be a consonance to deal with the existential dissonance. This is why the concept of soteriology [promise of salvation] is such a critical element within the major theistic holy text.

Ya, woteva - God will fuck up Ravi - as to his victims - try the suffering that God went through in comparison, not only to form a reality we could exist in, but to get nailed and die to give faith to those that believe in the words he uttered as Christ.

The problem you have, and it is an argument MANY atheists make, is that you expect with such omni'woteva' that we therefore should have some perfect world - eg Heaven for ALL right now.

It is not due to MY expectations.

In the first place that is the valid logical inferences from what theists are so insistence, confident and arrogant* in claiming their God is omni'woteva' from their God delivered holy texts.
* arrogant whilst condemning atheists are like pieces of immoral-shit doomed to be burnt in Hell.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 5:09 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 4:29 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 4:19 am
1 & 4. The supposed God is supposed to be omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent, thus would have known and has the power to communicate to Ravi in his dreams or anywhere anytime to warn and demanded he repented with reference to his sexual sins and lying or else God will punished him more severely than others.
God could have suppressed and enable him to modulate his lust in the first place.

2. For Christians, whatever that is evil in the NT is abrogated by the NT's pacifism.

The above contradiction is due to the fact that the idea of God is merely an empty thought of illusion which is critical to be a consonance to deal with the existential dissonance. This is why the concept of soteriology [promise of salvation] is such a critical element within the major theistic holy text.

Ya, woteva - God will fuck up Ravi - as to his victims - try the suffering that God went through in comparison, not only to form a reality we could exist in, but to get nailed and die to give faith to those that believe in the words he uttered as Christ.

The problem you have, and it is an argument MANY atheists make, is that you expect with such omni'woteva' that we therefore should have some perfect world - eg Heaven for ALL right now.

It is not due to MY expectations.

In the first place that is the valid logical inferences from what theists are so insistence, confident and arrogant* in claiming their God is omni'woteva' from their God delivered holy texts.
* arrogant whilst condemning atheists are like pieces of immoral-shit doomed to be burnt in Hell.

lol - generally I actually agree - most theists are ALSO (as are atheists) extremely short-sighted about this God entity.