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bahman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:36 pm God is simple. Knowledge is structured and it is not simple. Therefore, God is not knowledge.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:57 am

bahman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:36 pm God is simple. Knowledge is structured and it is not simple. Therefore, God is not knowledge.

God is a concept. Any concept no matter what the concept is known as, is always first and foremost ( A Knowledge Known)

All concepts are ''identity labels''' known only to the only knowing there is, and that IS...IS unknowable.

''Knowing'' any thing is impossible without that apparent contrast.

Why complicate the simple ?

Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:44 pm So many problems in three little sentences, but I suppose what's striking me first is this: who was saying that "God is knowledge" in the first place?

bahman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:36 pm God is simple. Knowledge is structured and it is not simple. Therefore, God is not knowledge.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:57 am

bahman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:36 pm God is simple. Knowledge is structured and it is not simple. Therefore, God is not knowledge.

God is a concept. Any concept no matter what the concept is known as, is always first and foremost ( A Knowledge Known)

All concepts are ''identity labels''' known only to the only knowing there is, and that IS...IS unknowable.

''Knowing'' any thing is impossible without that apparent contrast.

Why complicate the simple ?

Also bahman, I just wanted to add...a known concept is only ever an idea, a known idea in and of itself, separate from the knowing has no awareness of itself.

When engaging in questionable discussions about knowledge, any knowledge, the answers can only come from their original SOURCE

Find the original SOURCE of ALL KOWLEDGE and you will know all the answers to your question. You will not find answers outside your own knowing, especially when it comes to the ORIGINAL author of knowing. If it's your question, if you own personally the question, then only you can have the answer.

Good luck.

Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:44 pm So many problems in three little sentences, but I suppose what's striking me first is this: who was saying that "God is knowledge" in the first place?

DPMartin wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:35 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:36 pm God is simple. Knowledge is structured and it is not simple. Therefore, God is not knowledge.

what about knowledge of God? also what God are you speaking of, if its the God of Israel then its said that He is unsearchable therefore not simple as you propose.

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 8:19 pm

Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:44 pm So many problems in three little sentences, but I suppose what's striking me first is this: who was saying that "God is knowledge" in the first place?

Well, we have knowledge. God is not like us, doesn't have any parts (that is Catholic teaching), so He cannot have knowledge. The only alternative which is left is that God is knowledge. Which I show that it is not correct.

bahman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:36 pm God is simple.
Knowledge is structured and it is not simple.
Therefore, God is not knowledge.

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 8:24 pm

DPMartin wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:35 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:36 pm God is simple. Knowledge is structured and it is not simple. Therefore, God is not knowledge.

what about knowledge of God? also what God are you speaking of, if its the God of Israel then its said that He is unsearchable therefore not simple as you propose.

I am talking about the Catholic God. How not simplicity follows from unsearchable. And you cannot say knowledge of God since otherwise God would have parts.

Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 2:15 am

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 8:19 pm

Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:44 pm So many problems in three little sentences, but I suppose what's striking me first is this: who was saying that "God is knowledge" in the first place?

Well, we have knowledge. God is not like us, doesn't have any parts (that is Catholic teaching), so He cannot have knowledge. The only alternative which is left is that God is knowledge. Which I show that it is not correct.

For one, you left out the steps that lead to the conclusion "Either God has knowledge or God is knowledge."

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:05 am

bahman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:36 pm God is simple.
Knowledge is structured and it is not simple.
Therefore, God is not knowledge.

Your simple logical conclusion is loaded by complexities.

God is a simple word but that the supposed-God have created and is maintaining the very complex whole universe with fine-tuning cannot be having simple qualities and potential.

There is a range of knowledge existing within a continuum from simple to complex.
1 apple + 1 apple = 2 apples is simple knowledge.

Your logically valid argument is not rationally sound.

DPMartin wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:24 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 8:24 pm

DPMartin wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:35 pm
what about knowledge of God? also what God are you speaking of, if its the God of Israel then its said that He is unsearchable therefore not simple as you propose.

I am talking about the Catholic God. How not simplicity follows from unsearchable. And you cannot say knowledge of God since otherwise God would have parts.

well for one, the catholic God has three parts Father Son and Holy Ghost, according to Catholics, and since it seems you don't know, the nature of God has many things such as Mercy righteousness judgement wisdom knowledge and understanding, to name a few.

also the catholic God is the God of Jesus Christ which is the same God of Israel which is the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.

and yes I can say knowledge of God, watch this, Knowledge of God or how about Word of God or maybe Truth of God or Presence of God and Spirit of God, there's more if you like.