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Bullocks.bahman wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:45 pm Consider a system which is at a given state that is defiend by set of parameters. This system however cannot be in different states. Therefore, different states of the system can only take place in different points. But there has to be a duration between different states of the system otherwise change never takes place. Therefore, time exist.
Which part is non-sense?commonsense wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:46 pmBullocks.bahman wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:45 pm Consider a system which is at a given state that is defiend by set of parameters. This system however cannot be in different states. Therefore, different states of the system can only take place in different points. But there has to be a duration between different states of the system otherwise change never takes place. Therefore, time exist.
you could've just said it takes time for energy to execute. there's probably a more accurate way to say that, but the point is there.bahman wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:45 pm Consider a system that is at a given state that is defined by a set of parameters. This system however cannot be in different states at the same point. Therefore, different states of the system can only take place in different points. But there has to be a duration between different states of the system otherwise change never takes place. Therefore, time exist.
Good that you agree.DPMartin wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:42 pmyou could've just said it takes time for energy to execute. there's probably a more accurate way to say that, but the point is there.bahman wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:45 pm Consider a system that is at a given state that is defined by a set of parameters. This system however cannot be in different states at the same point. Therefore, different states of the system can only take place in different points. But there has to be a duration between different states of the system otherwise change never takes place. Therefore, time exist.
well may not, maybe so, time is measured by certain amount of energy or force acting on a certain amount of matter to move it through a certain amount of space, even electrons moving in the case of electronically measuring time, hence we think to perceive it correctly.bahman wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 8:31 pmGood that you agree.DPMartin wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:42 pmyou could've just said it takes time for energy to execute. there's probably a more accurate way to say that, but the point is there.bahman wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:45 pm Consider a system that is at a given state that is defined by a set of parameters. This system however cannot be in different states at the same point. Therefore, different states of the system can only take place in different points. But there has to be a duration between different states of the system otherwise change never takes place. Therefore, time exist.
Why couldn't something else be in whatever state at the same "point"?bahman wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:45 pm Consider a system that is at a given state that is defined by a set of parameters. This system however cannot be in different states at the same point. Therefore, different states of the system can only take place in different points. But there has to be a duration between different states of the system otherwise change never takes place. Therefore, time exist.
Just this forum?Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:36 pm This board might better be renamed:
New Adventures in Sophistry
Congratulations. You've discovered second order time.bahman wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:45 pm Consider a system that is at a given state that is defined by a set of parameters. This system however cannot be in different states at the same point. Therefore, different states of the system can only take place in different points. But there has to be a duration between different states of the system otherwise change never takes place. Therefore, time exist.
I am not talking about measuring time. I am talking about time.DPMartin wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:34 pmwell may not, maybe so, time is measured by certain amount of energy or force acting on a certain amount of matter to move it through a certain amount of space, even electrons moving in the case of electronically measuring time, hence we think to perceive it correctly.
it seems to me that time is required for any energy, space, or matter, to exist. also there doesn't seem to be a smallest amount of time, kind of like basic geometry's concept of a point that has no dimension, no length no width no height but a series of them make a line.
Because the system at any point is defined by a set of parameters. So the system cannot have these parameters and other parameters.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:35 pmWhy couldn't something else be in whatever state at the same "point"?bahman wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:45 pm Consider a system that is at a given state that is defined by a set of parameters. This system however cannot be in different states at the same point. Therefore, different states of the system can only take place in different points. But there has to be a duration between different states of the system otherwise change never takes place. Therefore, time exist.
Nice to see that you agree.Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:54 pmCongratulations. You've discovered second order time.bahman wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:45 pm Consider a system that is at a given state that is defined by a set of parameters. This system however cannot be in different states at the same point. Therefore, different states of the system can only take place in different points. But there has to be a duration between different states of the system otherwise change never takes place. Therefore, time exist.
What computer scientists call system time, what quantum physicists call "universal time", and what general relativists call "bullshit".
a.k.a problem of time.
If you conceptualise time as discrete and global, then indeed, change only occurs when the global clock "ticks". The function which describes global state change at each increment of the clock is called the state transition function.
I'm presuming you'd say that everything extant is the same "system" then?bahman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:25 pmBecause the system at any point is defined by a set of parameters. So the system cannot have these parameters and other parameters.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:35 pmWhy couldn't something else be in whatever state at the same "point"?bahman wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:45 pm Consider a system that is at a given state that is defined by a set of parameters. This system however cannot be in different states at the same point. Therefore, different states of the system can only take place in different points. But there has to be a duration between different states of the system otherwise change never takes place. Therefore, time exist.
I am trying to say that a system at a given point cannot be this and that.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:39 pmI'm presuming you'd say that everything extant is the same "system" then?bahman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:25 pmBecause the system at any point is defined by a set of parameters. So the system cannot have these parameters and other parameters.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:35 pm
Why couldn't something else be in whatever state at the same "point"?
The system can have one parameter. Like a falling particle.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:39 pm Per what is the system at any point defined by a set of parameters, and where there can't be more than one parameter at a given time?