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Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 9:03 am Here is an interesting discussion on 'Critical Thinking And Islam' between
Dr. Javad Hashim - Phd Study of Religion - Harvard University and
Mufti Abdul Layth - Madrassah Student and supposedly rational thinker.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xwKC2bUUAI

Dr. Javad Hashim stated he applied for Medina University but was rejected because he has critical thinking tendencies.

However, I believe because Islam and other theistic religions are grounded on faith [belief without proofs nor reasonable reasons], it will not pass the test of rigorous critical thinking ultimately.

Views?

Belinda wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:03 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 9:03 am Here is an interesting discussion on 'Critical Thinking And Islam' between
Dr. Javad Hashim - Phd Study of Religion - Harvard University and
Mufti Abdul Layth - Madrassah Student and supposedly rational thinker.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xwKC2bUUAI

Dr. Javad Hashim stated he applied for Medina University but was rejected because he has critical thinking tendencies.

However, I believe because Islam and other theistic religions are grounded on faith [belief without proofs nor reasonable reasons], it will not pass the test of rigorous critical thinking ultimately.

Views?

Faith in what or who?

I personally have faith cosmic order exists and that order is better than disorder. I have faith old myths might still have meaning for me if I keep an open mind. I have faith there are good people who believe in God as a giant Person.

I have faith in deconstructing the concept of religion into component parts of myth, devotional practices, and social control via authority. These components are not mutually dependent.I have faith that religion is art not science and should be free from authority which means not politicised.

The list of core critical thinking skills includes observation, interpretation, analysis, inference, evaluation, explanation, and metacognition.
According to Reynolds (2011), an individual or group engaged in a strong way of critical thinking gives due consideration to establish for instance:[33]

• Evidence through reality
  Context skills to isolate the problem from context
  Relevant criteria for making the judgment well
  Applicable methods or techniques for forming the judgment
  Applicable theoretical constructs for understanding the problem and the question at hand

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_ ... ationality

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:55 am

Belinda wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:03 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 9:03 am Here is an interesting discussion on 'Critical Thinking And Islam' between
Dr. Javad Hashim - Phd Study of Religion - Harvard University and
Mufti Abdul Layth - Madrassah Student and supposedly rational thinker.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xwKC2bUUAI

Dr. Javad Hashim stated he applied for Medina University but was rejected because he has critical thinking tendencies.

However, I believe because Islam and other theistic religions are grounded on faith [belief without proofs nor reasonable reasons], it will not pass the test of rigorous critical thinking ultimately.

Views?

Faith in what or who?

I personally have faith cosmic order exists and that order is better than disorder. I have faith old myths might still have meaning for me if I keep an open mind. I have faith there are good people who believe in God as a giant Person.

I have faith in deconstructing the concept of religion into component parts of myth, devotional practices, and social control via authority. These components are not mutually dependent.I have faith that religion is art not science and should be free from authority which means not politicised.

Faith re Theistic religions is the dependent on faith by theists that God exists as a real entity or being.

Anyone can have faith i.e. beliefs without proofs nor reasonable reasons, in anything and whatever.

Critical Thinking require the following essential features;

The list of core critical thinking skills includes observation, interpretation, analysis, inference, evaluation, explanation, and metacognition.
According to Reynolds (2011), an individual or group engaged in a strong way of critical thinking gives due consideration to establish for instance:[33]

• Evidence through reality
  Context skills to isolate the problem from context
  Relevant criteria for making the judgment well
  Applicable methods or techniques for forming the judgment
  Applicable theoretical constructs for understanding the problem and the question at hand

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_ ... ationality

The standard bearer of the truth of reality is scientific framework and system.

Thus whatever you personally claim via faith can only be real and true until it pass the scientific test or other credible framework and system of reality.

To have personal faith there is cosmic order is not credible, but then you can place faith or depend on the authority of science which verify there is cosmic order [via Newton] or chaos [Chaos Theory] which provide their specific justifications.

For theists, merely faith that God exists as real will not pass critical thinking which require verified and justified evidence of reality.

Belinda wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:20 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:55 am [Faith re Theistic religions is the dependent on faith by theists that God exists as a real entity or being.

Anyone can have faith i.e. beliefs without proofs nor reasonable reasons, in anything and whatever.

Critical Thinking require the following essential features;

The list of core critical thinking skills includes observation, interpretation, analysis, inference, evaluation, explanation, and metacognition.
According to Reynolds (2011), an individual or group engaged in a strong way of critical thinking gives due consideration to establish for instance:[33]

• Evidence through reality
  Context skills to isolate the problem from context
  Relevant criteria for making the judgment well
  Applicable methods or techniques for forming the judgment
  Applicable theoretical constructs for understanding the problem and the question at hand

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_ ... ationality

The standard bearer of the truth of reality is scientific framework and system.

Thus whatever you personally claim via faith can only be real and true until it pass the scientific test or other credible framework and system of reality.

To have personal faith there is cosmic order is not credible, but then you can place faith or depend on the authority of science which verify there is cosmic order [via Newton] or chaos [Chaos Theory] which provide their specific justifications.

For theists, merely faith that God exists as real will not pass critical thinking which require verified and justified evidence of reality.

With exception of my cosmic order/disorder faith I can justify each of my idiosyncratic faiths , according to any of the critical thinking criteria in the Wikipedia article you recommended. If I had the facilities I could do comparative, rigorously statistical researches to gauge the facticity of each of them.Obviously they would have to be rewarded in order to state them as objective propositions.

BTW Chaos Theory explains apparent cosmic chaos, it does not deny underlying order but rather substantiates underlying order among the apparent chaos of eventful change.