Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 5:24 am
The universe is self referencing in the respect that all is composed of points self referencing to further points.
What is a 'point', to you?
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 5:24 am
All observations begin and end with points thus all observations are the point existing self referentially. The universe is self aware and self awareness is unconditional given it is universal self referential loop.
This appears to be contradicted what you have said previously. But if you are just moving along and changing views, then this is PERFECTLY NORMAL and PERFECTLY OKAY and FINE.
The Universe may be Self aware. But this can only happen with and through a species that is able to observe, ponder, and collect and store data/information/knowledge.
Besides the human being do you know of ANY thing else that can, or that could, do this?
Now, if human beings are the ONLY 'thing', which could allow thee Universe, Itself, to be Self AWARE, and human beings are in a constant state of evolution, then there would be times when thee Universe was NOT YET FULLY Self AWARE and times when thee Universe IS ACTUALLY FULLY Self AWARE.
I suggest when that latter part comes about, then it is when 'Who am 'I'?' has been ACTUALLY ANSWERED, properly AND correctly, ONCE and for ALL.
So, in the days of when this is being written, how many human beings can ACTUALLY ANSWER the question; 'Who am 'I'?', properly AND correctly?
If the answer is 'none', or only 'some' [that is; one or up to but not including ALL], then I would suggest that thee Universe, It Self, is NOT YET FULLY Self AWARE.
But considering that thee Universe is Itself in a constant state of evolutionary change, then I will STRONGLY suggest that thee Universe is VERY SOON to become FULLY Self AWARE.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 5:24 am
Observation, as a loop, is a thing in itself given it is not dependent upon anything other than itself while being the point of change from one phenomenon to another.
And because ABSOLUTELY EVERY 'thing' is relative to the observer, and because of how ALL things can be OBSERVED from either the perspective of an individual, or from the perspective of a collective of things, which again is an 'individual', in and of itself, then I will suggest that the observer, or thee Observer, as the case may be, is NOT NECESSARILY dependent upon ANY thing else.
And thus ALL observations made from thee perspective of thee One, Everything, then, as you say, 'Observation, as a loop, is a thing in itself, given that it is not dependent upon anything other that Observation, itself.'
ABSOLUTELY EVERY thing changes ANYWAY, so the rest of what you wrote was UNNECESSARY.