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Immanuel Can . . please CAN you explain how IS IT that God exists in your own words only.

I do NOT want to hear quotes from other peoples words, for example the words that are written in the bible. Or did you Immanuel Can personally write the BIBLE?

If no, then lets hear your own account of why you believe God exists.

How about you that goes by the name of Immanuel Can tell in YOUR OWN WORDS what is meant by God? and perhaps you can show an image of God while you are at it.

If you can't come up with the evidence, it's ok, no one here will judge you, you will just become another insignificant fable story teller like every other human that ever walked the face of the earth.

Looking forward to your personal unique never before written story. Thanks in advance.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:22 am lets hear your own account of why you believe God exists.

Actually, God has a full account of why I exist.

I have no such sovereign ability over God. He exists because He always has; because He is the I AM and the First Cause of all things. He is the lone truly-necessary Being. Were it otherwise, He would not be God. Were there a prior cause, an explanation of why He exists, then He would obviously be a contingent and derivative being, and not God. That's definitional, whether one believes He exists or not: it's based merely on understanding the concept. It's analytic.

If you want reasons and evidence THAT He exists, that's a different question. But it's also a very big one. If your interest is genuine, I suggest you spend some time on that question yourself, as there are plenty of resources. I'll give you one: https://www.reasonablefaith.org

If you want my personal experience, then I don't think our relationship is close enough for such a conversation -- and judging from your past comments, I have good reason to suspect you would not be willing to consider it anyway.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 3:17 pmHe is the I AM and the First Cause of all things.

You have claimed that God is the I AM the first cause of all things.

Does the I AM causer of all things have an image? you still haven't answered the question.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 3:17 pm
If you want my personal experience, then I don't think our relationship is close enough for such a conversation

What on earth is that supposed to mean? you are on a public internet forum claiming to random strangers that God exists.

Still waiting for an actual image of this first causer...

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:21 pm Does the I AM causer of all things have an image? you still haven't answered the question.

Actually, I did. Hebrews 1:3. Read it, this time.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:34 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:21 pm Does the I AM causer of all things have an image? you still haven't answered the question.

Actually, I did. Hebrews 1:3. Read it, this time.

You are still avoiding the difficult answer.

Truth is, you have no image of God have you? all IC can show is a bunch of sound, heard as words, manifest as a symbolic image in the form of knowledge known as conceptual knowledge, which is innate to a human primates understanding.
Knowledge is another survival tool evolution uses to advance itself forward in order to keep up the replication of being a human primate which as and through it's knowledge can know that pain is bad and no pain is good. . which is a positive bonus.

So the only image of God is the word...is that how you see the image of God?

When you IC claim your existence of being, all you are doing is simply adding an artifical overlay of your own known knowledge upon what actually exists prior to and without any knowledge of such self-aware knowing. And yes, this knowing self-awareness does have it's advantages, it can be aware of the suffering mess that is evolution's business, and so it can clean up the mess if it wants to. It can stop this cheese chazing maze game any time it wants.

But getting back to the image of God issue..

Do you know what these words mean? ..... ''The wild geese do not intend to cast their reflection; The water has no mind to retain their image''

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:22 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:34 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:21 pm Does the I AM causer of all things have an image? you still haven't answered the question.

Actually, I did. Hebrews 1:3. Read it, this time.

You are still avoiding the difficult answer.

No, I'm giving it. I've done so twice now. You can't miss it. It's right above.

I can give you the answer, but I can't understand it for you.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:22 am

I do NOT want to hear quotes from other peoples words, for example the words that are written in the bible. Or did you Immanuel Can personally write the BIBLE?

Since you have not answered the question as to did you IC write the bible.

I'm still waiting for you to state in your own words what is God? without referencing what other people have written.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:29 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:22 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:34 pm
Actually, I did. Hebrews 1:3. Read it, this time.

You are still avoiding the difficult answer.

No, I'm giving it. I've done so twice now. You can't miss it. It's right above.

I can give you the answer, but I can't understand it for you.

No, you have not given your direct account answer according to your own words...you are using words written by other people, not your own first hand witness account.

Give me your answer, not someone elses.

I already understand my version of accounts. I do not need you to understand for me.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:32 pm Give me your answer, not someone elses.

That IS my answer. The fact that you don't like my answer makes no difference to that fact. It's the fact.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:37 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:32 pm Give me your answer, not someone elses.

That IS my answer. The fact that you don't like my answer makes no difference to that fact. It's the fact.

Second hand knowledge is hearsay, and never an actual realtime first hand witness account fact.

You're being a lying ignorant rude conman.

You do not have an image of God, just be honest enough to admit it.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:45 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:37 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:32 pm Give me your answer, not someone elses.

That IS my answer. The fact that you don't like my answer makes no difference to that fact. It's the fact.

Second hand knowledge is hearsay,

It's not second-hand knowledge. You didn't read. And you won't understand, I know. So there's no wisdom in me becoming solicitous of your good opinion, or dancing to the tune you wish to write for me.

You can take the facts, or you can leave them. That is all you can do.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:48 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:45 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:37 pm
That IS my answer. The fact that you don't like my answer makes no difference to that fact. It's the fact.

Second hand knowledge is hearsay,

It's not second-hand knowledge. You didn't read. And you won't understand, I know. So there's no wisdom in me becoming solicitous of your good opinion, or dancing to the tune you wish to write for me.

You can take the facts, or you can leave them. That is all you can do.

I do not need to read anything to see with my own eyes IC...can't you understand that?

Just answer the question...did you IC write the bible that you claim to understand is the image of God, and that what you are now claiming others won't until they read it?

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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:22 am Immanuel Can . . please CAN you explain how IS IT that God exists in your own words only.

I do NOT want to hear quotes from other peoples words, for example the words that are written in the bible. Or did you Immanuel Can personally write the BIBLE?

If no, then lets hear your own account of why you believe God exists.

How about you that goes by the name of Immanuel Can tell in YOUR OWN WORDS what is meant by God? and perhaps you can show an image of God while you are at it.

If you can't come up with the evidence, it's ok, no one here will judge you, you will just become another insignificant fable story teller like every other human that ever walked the face of the earth.

Looking forward to your personal unique never before written story. Thanks in advance.

He has proven that he is not interested in requests for proof on this issue. I suspect he understands potentially the reasoning against it but is contentious of the emotional reflection involved to the core of himself. I have run into this too often and it doesn't go anywhere as it can make those with such strong convictions self-destruct and potentially lash out on others.

He hints at the argument of "First Cause". The normal counter agument is to ask where God came from then. Note that this also relates to the physics questions on the Big Bang for example. So it is not out of necessary lack of intelligence but of things like pride and emotional concerns with things like morality. Perhaps he needs space to breathe?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:53 pm Just answer the question...

The phrase is, "Asked and answered."

Move on.

Scott Mayers wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:55 pm He has proven that he is not interested in requests for proof on this issue.

She didn't ask for "proof." She asked what the "image of God" is.

..."He is the image of the invisible God,..." (Colossians 1:15)

Now she knows.