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It was only in 1970 that the population of the Earth was about half of what it is now. No discussion of politics or technology is going to be sufficient without discussing how twice as many people are supposed to share the same amount of space and far less resources per person than in less than a lifetime ago.

Advocate wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:09 pm It was only in 1970 that the population of the Earth was about half of what it is now. No discussion of politics or technology is going to be sufficient without discussing how twice as many people are supposed to share the same amount of space and far less resources per person than in less than a lifetime ago.

I do not think an outdated right-wing political policy is going to answer your question.
THe fact is that women's empowerment and the widespread availability of family planning ,and profilactic technology has already started to dramatically reduce growth rates. In developed countries grow rates are around 1 or even lower than 1. Whilst there is still work to do, education and alleiviation poverty seems to be working quite well.

Advocate wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:09 pm It was only in 1970 that the population of the Earth was about half of what it is now. No discussion of politics or technology is going to be sufficient without discussing how twice as many people are supposed to share the same amount of space and far less resources per person than in less than a lifetime ago.

You want to control population? The solution is dead easy: educate young women, especially those in the Developing World. Not just about reproduction...that's not going to do it. Give them educational opportunities of all kinds.

Young women who have educational options tend to limit their own reproduction, voluntarily, to below replacement levels.

No eugenics, no abortions, no euthanasia, and no other nasty, unethical options. Just educate women. Problem solved.

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It was only in 1970 that the population of the Earth was about half of what it is now. No discussion of politics or technology is going to be sufficient without discussing how twice as many people are supposed to share the same amount of space and far less resources per person than in less than a lifetime ago.
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I do not think an outdated right-wing political policy is going to answer your question.
THe fact is that women's empowerment and the widespread availability of family planning ,and profilactic technology has already started to dramatically reduce growth rates. In developed countries grow rates are around 1 or even lower than 1. Whilst there is still work to do, education and alleiviation poverty seems to be working quite well.
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All of which is true, none of which addresses the already bursting seams.

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It was only in 1970 that the population of the Earth was about half of what it is now. No discussion of politics or technology is going to be sufficient without discussing how twice as many people are supposed to share the same amount of space and far less resources per person than in less than a lifetime ago.
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You want to control population? The solution is dead easy: educate young women, especially those in the Developing World. Not just about reproduction...that's not going to do it. Give them educational opportunities of all kinds.

Young women who have educational options tend to limit their own reproduction, voluntarily, to below replacement levels.

No eugenics, no abortions, no euthanasia, and no other nasty, unethical options. Just educate women. Problem solved.
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How about we give People equal access to opportunity and stop playing divisive group identity games?

Advocate wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 11:23 pm
How about we give People equal access to opportunity and stop playing divisive group identity games?

In what way will providing equal access to opportunity have any effect on population and resources?

And what do group identity games have to do with population and resources for that matter?

Advocate wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 11:23 pm How about we give People equal access to opportunity and stop playing divisive group identity games?

"Identity"-- bosh.

It has to do with who already has the educational opportunities, and with who gives birth.

Advocate wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 11:22 pm All of which is true, none of which addresses the already bursting seams.

Please explain what role "eugenics" can play here!

Eugene Levy played several roles...

-Imp

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All of which is true, none of which addresses the already bursting seams.
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Please explain what role "eugenics" can play here!
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Same role it plays today when children with birth defects are aborted or adults with schizophrenia are "let go" at hospice, only with common sense involved. Soft power should be used first, of course, but we still need to get the population down and increase efficiency much more than we should rely upon hypothetical technological solutions.

Advocate wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:41 am

Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:25 am

Advocate wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 11:22 pm All of which is true, none of which addresses the already bursting seams.

Please explain what role "eugenics" can play here!

Same role it plays today when children with birth defects are aborted or adults with schizophrenia are "let go" at hospice, only with common sense involved. Soft power should be used first, of course, but we still need to get the population down and increase efficiency much more than we should rely upon hypothetical technological solutions.

Adults without schizophrenia are also let go from hospice. That’s the idea of hospice—giving people palliative care so that they can die with dignity and in relative comfort or relief from their terminal illness.

What do you mean when you write “soft power”?

Why not educate young women using existing technology. Educated women make contributions to society while putting procreation off either temporarily or altogether?

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Please explain what role "eugenics" can play here!
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Same role it plays today when children with birth defects are aborted or adults with schizophrenia are "let go" at hospice, only with common sense involved. Soft power should be used first, of course, but we still need to get the population down and increase efficiency much more than we should rely upon hypothetical technological solutions.
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Adults without schizophrenia are also let go from hospice. That’s the idea of hospice—giving people palliative care so that they can die with dignity and in relative comfort or relief from their terminal illness.

What do you mean when you write “soft power”?

Why not educate young women using existing technology. Educated women make contributions to society while putting procreation off either temporarily or altogether?
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Because group identity is inherently divisive. That should be one part of a much larger picture. Band-aids never last, we need solutions.

I didn’t find anything in the OP about divisiveness or group identity (tribalism).

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I didn’t find anything in the OP about divisiveness or group identity (tribalism).
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Someone puts the solution as educating women. I say it's a good idea in it's own context but in the larger context is regressive.

Advocate wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:41 am

Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:25 am Please explain what role "eugenics" can play here!

Same role it plays today when children with birth defects are aborted or adults with schizophrenia are "let go" at hospice, only with common sense involved. Soft power should be used first, of course, but we still need to get the population down and increase efficiency much more than we should rely upon hypothetical technological solutions.

Congratulations, A.

You are finally on exactly the same page as A. Hitler. He was a huge fan of eugenics, and he wanted to kill many of the same people you want to kill. https://www.ushmm.org/collections/bibli ... sabilities

Well done.