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Posted: **Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:42 pm**

Consciousness is the ability of the mind, meaning to be aware. Material has properties that can be perceived by the mind. These properties are subject to change depending on the configuration and motion of matter what we call neural activities. Therefore, there is no hard problem of consciousness since consciousness is a property of the mind. We however need matter to have awareness.

Posted: **Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:02 pm**

bahman wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:42 pm Consciousness is the ability of the mind, meaning to be aware. Material has properties that can be perceived by the mind. These properties are subject to change depending on the configuration and motion of matter what we call neural activities. Therefore, there is no hard problem of consciousness since consciousness is a property of the mind. We however need matter to have awareness.

You think that because you say that "Consciousness is a Property of the Mind" that you have Explained anything about Consciousness? The very utterance of the words "Consciousness is a Property of the Mind" will launch any inquiring Mind to the next level to then ask: "How is Consciousness a Property of the Mind"? There is a Huge Explanatory Gap in "Consciousness is a Property of the Mind". The statement actually defines the Hard Problem.

Posted: **Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:08 pm**

SteveKlinko wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:02 pm You think that because you say that "Consciousness is a Property of the Mind" that you have Explained anything about Consciousness? The very utterance of the words "Consciousness is a Property of the Mind" will launch any inquiring Mind to the next level to then ask: "How is Consciousness a Property of the Mind"? There is a Huge Explanatory Gap in "Consciousness is a Property of the Mind". The statement actually defines the Hard Problem.

So why is that a "problem"?

What's a "problem" anyway?

Posted: **Mon Oct 26, 2020 2:52 pm**

Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:08 pm
SteveKlinko wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:02 pm You think that because you say that "Consciousness is a Property of the Mind" that you have Explained anything about Consciousness? The very utterance of the words "Consciousness is a Property of the Mind" will launch any inquiring Mind to the next level to then ask: "How is Consciousness a Property of the Mind"? There is a Huge Explanatory Gap in "Consciousness is a Property of the Mind". The statement actually defines the Hard Problem.
So why is that a "problem"?

What's a "problem" anyway?

Great question.

Posted: **Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:01 pm**

SteveKlinko wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 2:52 pm
Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:08 pm
SteveKlinko wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:02 pm You think that because you say that "Consciousness is a Property of the Mind" that you have Explained anything about Consciousness? The very utterance of the words "Consciousness is a Property of the Mind" will launch any inquiring Mind to the next level to then ask: "How is Consciousness a Property of the Mind"? There is a Huge Explanatory Gap in "Consciousness is a Property of the Mind". The statement actually defines the Hard Problem.
So why is that a "problem"?

What's a "problem" anyway?
Great question.

Why is it "great"?

What is "greatness" anyway?

Posted: **Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:21 pm**

Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:01 pm
SteveKlinko wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 2:52 pm
Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:08 pm
So why is that a "problem"?

What's a "problem" anyway?
Great question.
Why is it "great"?

What is "greatness" anyway?

Yes, these are the Great (TBD) Philosophical questions that need answers.

Posted: **Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:24 pm**

SteveKlinko wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:21 pm Yes, these are the Great (TBD) Philosophical questions that need answers.

Is "Philosophical" also TBD ?

Posted: **Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:30 pm**

Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:24 pm
SteveKlinko wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:21 pm Yes, these are the Great (TBD) Philosophical questions that need answers.
Is "Philosophical" also TBD ?

To find all the words that are TBD get an unabridged dictionary. All the words listed will be TBD.

Posted: **Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:36 pm**

bahman wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:42 pm Therefore, there is no hard problem of consciousness since consciousness is a property of the mind.

Hmmm.

Go and read Thomas Nagel or Jaegwon Kim, and then say again "There's no hard problem of consciousness." If you did that, it would only tell everyone you can't understand the problem....but that it still certainly exists.

Posted: **Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:38 pm**

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:36 pm it would only tell everyone you can't understand the problem....but that it still certainly exists.

So you have concluded "problem-confirmation"?
You are convinced yourself that there is, in fact, a problem?

Can you show us the evidence?

Posted: **Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:40 pm**

SteveKlinko wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:30 pm To find all the words that are TBD get an unabridged dictionary. All the words listed will be TBD.

If the dictionary hasn't got any answers, then surely I am much better off asking you how you use your words, no?

Posted: **Tue Oct 27, 2020 12:34 pm**

Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:40 pm
SteveKlinko wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:30 pm To find all the words that are TBD get an unabridged dictionary. All the words listed will be TBD.
If the dictionary hasn't got any answers, then surely I am much better off asking you how you use your words, no?

How I use words is self evident when I use Words.

Posted: **Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:29 pm**

SteveKlinko wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 12:34 pm How I use words is self evident when I use Words.

To you. Not to others.

The entire point of interacting with other humans is to figure out how they use their Words and why.

Posted: **Tue Oct 27, 2020 6:58 pm**

Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:29 pm
SteveKlinko wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 12:34 pm How I use words is self evident when I use Words.
To you. Not to others.

The entire point of interacting with other humans is to figure out how they use their Words and why.

For that you have to listen to the words of other Humans.

Posted: **Tue Oct 27, 2020 7:44 pm**

SteveKlinko wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:02 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:42 pm Consciousness is the ability of the mind, meaning to be aware. Material has properties that can be perceived by the mind. These properties are subject to change depending on the configuration and motion of matter what we call neural activities. Therefore, there is no hard problem of consciousness since consciousness is a property of the mind. We however need matter to have awareness.
You think that because you say that "Consciousness is a Property of the Mind" that you have Explained anything about Consciousness?

Yes, but my argument was more than that. I explained what material activity does.

SteveKlinko wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:02 pm The very utterance of the words "Consciousness is a Property of the Mind" will launch any inquiring Mind to the next level to then ask: "How is Consciousness a Property of the Mind"? There is a Huge Explanatory Gap in "Consciousness is a Property of the Mind". The statement actually defines the Hard Problem.

There is no explanatory gap as I explained.

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