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special interests in socialism
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:24 pm
by Advocate
It is in the public interest for certain special interests to be prioritized, namely those things which are needful and beyond individual control.
Re: special interests in socialism
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:08 pm
by Immanuel Can
Advocate wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:24 pm
It is in the public interest for certain special interests to be prioritized, namely those things which are needful and beyond individual control.
Eh?
"Public"? Which one?
"Certain special interests"?
"Prioritized" over...?
"To be" by whom?
"Needful," for whom and what?
"Beyond individual control"? Why?
How is anyone supposed to interpret a set of phrases so vague?
Re: special interests in socialism
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:34 pm
by Advocate
[quote="Immanuel Can" post_id=476574 time=1603390111 user_id=9431]
[quote=Advocate post_id=476572 time=1603387476 user_id=15238]
It is in the public interest for certain special interests to be prioritized, namely those things which are needful and beyond individual control.
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Eh? :shock:
"Public"? Which one? :?
"Certain special interests"? :?
"Prioritized" over...? :?
"To be" by whom? :?
"Needful," for whom and what? :?
"Beyond individual control"? Why? :?
How is anyone supposed to interpret a set of phrases so vague? :shock:
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You're in the verbal weeds again. How do you expect to ever deal with ideas if all you talk about is language?
Re: special interests in socialism
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:46 pm
by Immanuel Can
Advocate wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:34 pm
You're in the verbal weeds again.
You put us there.
It was your phrasing. If you can't explain what it means, then that's no problem but your own. You made a sentence composed of nonsense and dust.
Re: special interests in socialism
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:00 pm
by Sculptor
Advocate wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:24 pm
It is in the public interest for certain special interests to be prioritized, namely those things which are needful and beyond individual control.
Education, health, roads, armed forces, town planning, police, fire service, social services and social security.
The careful provision of all these services has led to increases in life expectancy and enriched the lives of many creating an equitable division of the fruits of society to those the classes of peopel that do the most work to actually provide those fruits.
And by this means a redistribution of resources towards them, and away from those that own the means of production has also been of massive benefit to the economic health of the people and their country.
Re: special interests in socialism
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:01 pm
by Advocate
[quote="Immanuel Can" post_id=476578 time=1603392363 user_id=9431]
[quote=Advocate post_id=476576 time=1603391663 user_id=15238]
You're in the verbal weeds again.
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You put us there. :shock:
It was your phrasing. If you can't explain what it means, then that's no problem but your own. You made a sentence composed of nonsense and dust.
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I could offer explanations for every term. I think you underestimate how quickly that goes nowhere. Last time we tried this, i clarified the points that were relevant to your objection but you never came around to discussing the ideas.
Re: special interests in socialism
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:59 pm
by Immanuel Can
Advocate wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:01 pm
I could offer explanations for every term.
You don't need to. You just need to use specific nouns, verbs and adjectives, and keep your syntax in active voice. That will make your meaning clear the first time.
Re: special interests in socialism
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 10:14 pm
by Advocate
[quote="Immanuel Can" post_id=476583 time=1603400392 user_id=9431]
[quote=Advocate post_id=476581 time=1603396886 user_id=15238]
I could offer explanations for every term. [/quote]
You don't need to. You just need to use specific nouns, verbs and adjectives, and keep your syntax in active voice. That will make your meaning clear the first time.
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No. I refuse to accommodate all possible linguistic discrepancies or definitions as a prerequisite for saying something meaningful.
Re: special interests in socialism
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 10:55 pm
by Immanuel Can
Advocate wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 10:14 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:59 pm
Advocate wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:01 pm
I could offer explanations for every term.
You don't need to. You just need to use specific nouns, verbs and adjectives, and keep your syntax in active voice. That will make your meaning clear the first time.
No. I refuse to accommodate all possible linguistic discrepancies or definitions as a prerequisite for saying something meaningful.
You mean you just
don't know how to use English effectively?
Or you
don't want to, so nobody can hold you to what you are trying to get away with saying?
Either way, there's nothing in what you
haven't said to react to.
Re: special interests in socialism
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:14 pm
by Advocate
Do you have a contention that some part of what i said it's necessarily or semantically wrong? Because all i'm hearing is that you don't understand, and that's not on me. I'd understand it if i heard it, and so have all the other people over talked with about it.
Re: special interests in socialism
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:31 pm
by Immanuel Can
Advocate wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:14 pm
Do you have a contention that some part of what i said it's necessarily or semantically wrong?
Sure. It's full of vapid, vacuous, non-specific verbiage, as I have indicated earlier. It's so rife with obscurity and jargon that it literally CANNOT be understood.
There's not even enough specificity in it for the reader to be able to decide what it means.
Re: special interests in socialism
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:36 pm
by Advocate
[quote="Immanuel Can" post_id=476598 time=1603405878 user_id=9431]
[quote=Advocate post_id=476594 time=1603404878 user_id=15238]
Do you have a contention that some part of what i said it's necessarily or semantically wrong? [/quote]
Sure. It's full of vapid, vacuous, non-specific verbiage, as I have indicated earlier. It's so rife with obscurity and jargon that it literally CANNOT be understood.
There's not even enough specificity in it for the reader to be able to decide what it means.
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Allow me to define some of the terms:
public interest = public interest
certain special interests = not all special interests, just some
needful = needed
beyond individual control = beyond individual control
Hope that helps. If there's any further confusion, please consult your local dictionary for assistance. Can you please confine yourself to the philosophy of language section? You seem incapable of operating in any other forum.
Re: special interests in socialism
Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:55 am
by Immanuel Can
Advocate wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:36 pm
Hope that helps.
Replacing one non-specific term with another? No.
For example, "needed" for what, or why? Who are these "certain special interests": what are the "interests" they have, what makes them particularly "special" in this case, and what makes them only "certain" ones, and not others? And what sort of thing is "beyond public control": why is it "beyond"? Why can't "the public," whomever that may mean, "control" it, and why would they want to?
Vague, vague vague.
Here's what you should say: something specific.
Somebody could reasonably think, from what you said, that you're saying something completely ghastly, like, "It is in the interest of the German people for the elimination of the Jewish people to be made first priority, because it's necessary to keep the race pure, and killing that many people is too much for ordinary Germans to do."
But that would be one possible fair interpretation of what you wrote.
Do you really want to be interpreted in just any way at all?
Re: special interests in socialism
Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:14 am
by Advocate
[quote="Immanuel Can" post_id=476606 time=1603421705 user_id=9431]
[quote=Advocate post_id=476599 time=1603406184 user_id=15238]
Hope that helps.[/quote]
Replacing one non-specific term with another? No.
For example, "needed" for what, or why? Who are these "certain special interests": what are the "interests" they have, what makes them particularly "special" in this case, and what makes them only "certain" ones, and not others? And what sort of thing is "beyond public control": why is it "beyond"? Why can't "the public," whomever that may mean, "control" it, and why would they want to?
Vague, vague vague.
Here's what you should say: something specific.
Somebody could reasonably think, from what you said, that you're saying something completely ghastly, like, "It is in the interest of the German people for the elimination of the Jewish people to be made first priority, because it's necessary to keep the race pure, and killing that many people is too much for ordinary Germans to do." :shock: But that would be one possible fair interpretation of what you wrote.
Do you really want to be interpreted in just any way at all?
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Just ordinary ones will do for a start.
Re: special interests in socialism
Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:56 am
by Belinda
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:08 pm
Advocate wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:24 pm
It is in the public interest for certain special interests to be prioritized, namely those things which are needful and beyond individual control.
Eh?
"Public"? Which one?
Public interest , singular, as opposed to private interests ,plural.
B
"Certain special interests"?
Drinking water, public transport, basic housing, clean air, food distribution, waste disposal, health, education.
B
"Prioritized" over...?
Over less needful goods such as fashions, commercial music, foreign holidays, restaurants, luxury transport such as private cars, luxury housing, privileges for rich investors, second homes etc.
B
"To be" by whom?
The electorate in a proper democracy
Belinda
"Needful," for whom and what?
Needful to support life and health of all individuals not just a select few.
Belinda
"Beyond individual control"? Why?
Because men are greedy and capitalism tends towards a few owning more than they need and the many going without adaequate health care, housing, education and so forth
Belind
How is anyone supposed to interpret a set of phrases so vague?
You should try to rise above your prejudices for a good start
Belinda