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Jesus is God. God has foreknowledge. The foreknowledge is the knowledge about what is going to happen. Jesus could not do otherwise. Therefore He is not free.

Jesus the man did not have Free Will , but Christ the God had Free Will because God is uncaused.

What I don't get is that if god is 'supremely good', is he free to have a laugh from time to time?

bahman wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:57 pm Jesus is God.

Is He? He does not seem so via a reading of Gospel of Mark. in that he seems to not be God and not understand why he has to die.

bahman wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:57 pm God has foreknowledge.

ok, and the relivence to Jesus?

bahman wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:57 pm The foreknowledge is the knowledge about what is going to happen. Jesus could not do otherwise. Therefore He is not free.

???

Belinda wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:33 pm Jesus the man did not have Free Will , but Christ the God had Free Will because God is uncaused.

that sound very Pauline, you a Paulist?

uwot wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:51 am What I don't get is that if god is 'supremely good', is he free to have a laugh from time to time?

yes, to answer your question and man is made in his image, if we laugh so does He.

of course im just a dumb atheist.

Belinda wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:33 pm Jesus the man did not have Free Will , but Christ the God had Free Will because God is uncaused.

Jesus was never officially anointed to Christ status.

You might revue Jewish tradition, or show when Jesus was accepted as King of the Jews.

Regards
DL

uwot wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:51 am What I don't get is that if god is 'supremely good', is he free to have a laugh from time to time?

He would, every time some Christians get's literal and starts to actually believe that a genocidal god id somehow a good god.

Regards
DL

gaffo wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:34 am

uwot wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:51 am What I don't get is that if god is 'supremely good', is he free to have a laugh from time to time?

yes, to answer your question and man is made in his image, if we laugh so does He.

https://twitter.com/BlackNews718/status ... 71616?s=09

Regards
DL

Jesus said he was doing his fathers will, that being his own, if you buy into the stupid Trinity concept.

But from that, we can see that Jesus is not doing his will, be he have that option or not.

As to the man part of Jesus, scriptures say that none of us have a free will.

The quotes are imbedded in this link.

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Are non-believers doomed by Divine Design?

Scriptures say that God decides if a person will be a believer or non-believer. Those scriptures are shown in this link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byHYeHN4ZUQ

Those quotes seems to really screw up the free will notion that Christians say God gives us.

The free will that God offers is kind of a joke anyway given the number of people whose free will to live is ignored in the billions of adults, children and babies that God is shown to torture and murder in scriptures.

If the bible and Yahweh are to be believed, and as a non-believer, I, of course, cannot believe it, thanks to God, by God’s design and will against me, then why did God deny me belief or faith?

Even more important to believers, might be to answer the question of; did God make you a believer in things that you can only hope exists and can never confirm?

Are you happy with God ignoring or negating your free will to think as you please?

I have assumed that God’s work of creating both believers and non-believers is working. If that is so, and you believers must think it so, just as I as a non-believer cannot think it is working, --- and Jesus said that those with faith could do all he did and more, --- then there is not even one believer or person of faith that has ever existed.

Either the bible and Christianity is all a lie, or there must be some who can do what Jesus did.


What is your choice of those two options?

Is the bible and Christianity a lie, or is God just not creating any people with faith, --- which would make all Christians who say they have faith, --- liars.

I mean no insult here but someone is definitely lying, if we read what is written and look at reality and listen to Christians.

What do you think is the truth?

Is it just for God to create people doomed to hell even if they wanted to believe?

Regards
DL

"Jesus said he was doing his fathers will, that being his own, if you buy into the stupid Trinity concept."'

What is stupid about the Trinity concept? There are three forces in nature. We do not consider them stupid. It is likely they have a common source.

gaffo wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:31 am

bahman wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:57 pm Jesus is God.

Is He? He does not seem so via a reading of Gospel of Mark. in that he seems to not be God and not understand why he has to die.

My concern is about people who believe that He is God.

gaffo wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:31 am

bahman wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:57 pm God has foreknowledge.

ok, and the relivence to Jesus?

He has foreknowledge if He is God.

gaffo wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:31 am

bahman wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:57 pm The foreknowledge is the knowledge about what is going to happen. Jesus could not do otherwise. Therefore He is not free.

???

Didn't you get my argument?

uwot wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:51 am What I don't get is that if god is 'supremely good', is he free to have a laugh from time to time?

Of course! He created much of the English language - and what humour there is to be had with all those homophones.

..and lets not forget, the capital of Finland is Helsinki.

...a lot of Dad's returned in bags from Baghdad.

bahman wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:57 pm Jesus is God. God has foreknowledge. The foreknowledge is the knowledge about what is going to happen. Jesus could not do otherwise. Therefore He is not free.

Jesus has free will just like any other bloke. He is interfaced to his 'God' system and can interrogate it whenever he chooses.

God does not know ALL the future, but has the free will to direct it to whatever future God desires.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:31 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:57 pm Jesus is God. God has foreknowledge. The foreknowledge is the knowledge about what is going to happen. Jesus could not do otherwise. Therefore He is not free.

Jesus has free will just like any other bloke. He is interfaced to his 'God' system and can interrogate it whenever he chooses.

Not according to my argument.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:31 pm God does not know ALL the future, but has the free will to direct it to whatever future God desires.

Psalm 139:4 Even before a word is on my tongue, behold, O Lord, you know it altogether.