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As commonly understood, the Turing test might easily produce false positives. What is needed is the same test but with a philosopher, to provide false negatives. Call it the Turing Dialectic, if you will.

Advocate wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:39 pm if you will.

I'll think about it.

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if you will.
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I'll think about it. :|
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Do it if you won't?

If you were chosen, what would your first question be?

"I'm a philosopher, and as such i believe the meaning of life is that everyone must choose the answer to that question for themselves. What's yours?"

Advocate wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:55 pm
Do it if you won't?

I will only do it if I can't.

Advocate wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:39 pm As commonly understood, the Turing test might easily produce false positives. What is needed is the same test but with a philosopher, to provide false negatives. Call it the Turing Dialectic, if you will.

It can produce false positives AND false negatives.

Are you an AI? I expect you to answer "No".

If we live in a simulation, that's a false negative.

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Do it if you won't?
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I will only do it if I can't.
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Prove it!

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As commonly understood, the Turing test might easily produce false positives.
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It can produce false positives AND false negatives.

Are you an AI? I expect you to answer "No".

If we live in a simulation, then your answer is wrong.
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How are you at producing false maybes? or no true positives?

Advocate wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:07 pm
Prove it!

What would you accept as proof?

Advocate wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:08 pm How are you at producing false maybes? or no true positives?

How's a false maybe different to a true maybe?

A "true positive" may be a "false negative". You don't know! That's the point.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:15 pm
How's a false maybe different to a true maybe?

A true maybe maybe a maybe, but a false maybe has no possibility of being a maybe.

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Prove it!
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What would you accept as proof?
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Words or interpretive dance.

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How's a false maybe different to a true maybe?
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A true maybe maybe a maybe, but a false maybe has no possibility of being a maybe.
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Hmm
.. perhaps.

Advocate wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:38 pm Hmm
.. perhaps.

That looks like a false perhaps.

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Hmm
.. perhaps.
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That looks like a false perhaps.
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Is that a belief or is it knowledge? I believe it's neither, but i don't know.