the "no true Scotsman" problem solved
Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:18 pm
a) There is such a thing as a false Scotsman
b) There is such a thing as a true Scotsman
c) The end
b) There is such a thing as a true Scotsman
c) The end
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Re: the "no true Scotsman" problem solved
Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:21 pm
There's little future for you as a philosopher, but you might do well in the greetings card industry.
Re: the "no true Scotsman" problem solved
Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:57 pm
In what sense is the argument not technically accurate? In what sense does it not accurately represent reality? How is it wrong? and Nuh-UH!FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:21 pm There's little future for you as a philosopher, but you might do well in the greetings card industry.
Re: the "no true Scotsman" problem solved
Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2020 4:45 pm
Were you expecting to be taken seriously in this thread? You weren't actually attempting to address the Scotsman fallacy with that garbage were you?
Re: the "no true Scotsman" problem solved
Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2020 4:50 pm
It's a full, complete, perfect, logical, necessary, actionable answer. Do you have a better one somehow?FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 4:45 pm Were you expecting to be taken seriously in this thread? You weren't actually attempting to address the Scotsman fallacy with that garbage were you?
Do you need a more technical formulation?
If false Scotsmen can exist, true Scotsman must exist.
False Scotsmen do exist.
∴ True Scotsmen exist.
Are you saying there are no false Scotsmen? You won't get very far with that refutation.
Re: the "no true Scotsman" problem solved
Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2020 4:57 pm
I don't need to "go" anywhere. There's nothing to refute until you make a point. You are appealing to classical logic. Why?Advocate wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 4:50 pm It's a full, complete, perfect, logical, necessary, actionable answer. Do you have a better one somehow?
Do you need a more technical formulation?
If false Scotsmen can exist, true Scotsman must exist.
False Scotsmen do exist.
∴ True Scotsmen exist.
Are you saying there are no false Scotsmen? You won't get very far with that refutation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curry%27s_paradox
Re: the "no true Scotsman" problem solved
Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2020 5:02 pm
Erm, okay. What exactly is your understanding of the no-true-scotsman fallacy? You know, like the erroneous reasoning that it is about, rather than the existence or othewise of fraudulent kilty bastards?Advocate wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 4:50 pmIt's a full, complete, perfect, logical, necessary, actionable answer. Do you have a better one somehow?FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 4:45 pm Were you expecting to be taken seriously in this thread? You weren't actually attempting to address the Scotsman fallacy with that garbage were you?
Do you need a more technical formulation?
If false Scotsmen can exist, true Scotsman must exist.
False Scotsmen do exist.
∴ True Scotsmen exist.
Are you saying there are no false Scotsmen? You won't get very far with that refutation.
Re: the "no true Scotsman" problem solved
Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2020 5:32 pm
There is no paradox in reality. I haven't heard of this one before so let me go see what it is so i can clear it up for you. The argument is complete and perfect anyway. There's nothing arbitrary about the actual existence of false Scotsman or the logical necessity of true Scotsman thereby. I don't see how that "paradox" even applies.Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 4:57 pmI don't need to "go" anywhere. There's nothing to refute until you make a point. You are appealing to classical logic. Why?Advocate wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 4:50 pm It's a full, complete, perfect, logical, necessary, actionable answer. Do you have a better one somehow?
Do you need a more technical formulation?
If false Scotsmen can exist, true Scotsman must exist.
False Scotsmen do exist.
∴ True Scotsmen exist.
Are you saying there are no false Scotsmen? You won't get very far with that refutation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curry%27s_paradox
Re: the "no true Scotsman" problem solved
Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2020 8:22 pm
Re: the "no true Scotsman" problem solved
Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:46 pm
Re: the "no true Scotsman" problem solved
Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 12:09 am
Hey, Harbal! You're back! Welcome back to the circus.
Forget the Flying Walendas...we've got Scotsmen.
Re: the "no true Scotsman" problem solved
Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:11 am
Re: the "no true Scotsman" problem solved
Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:49 am
It might not be philosophical in the way some would like but it's a full and settled answer to the problem. No piss-taking intended.FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 8:22 pmBut you did composed this thread to take the piss, not as an attempt at philosophy as such, right?
Re: the "no true Scotsman" problem solved
Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:35 am
It's only an informal fallacy. So while the sentence 'No true Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge' is refuted by any Scotsman who happens to put sugar on his porridge, some sentences with the same form, for example 'No true philosopher writes the sort of bollocks that Advocate writes' are true.
Re: the "no true Scotsman" problem solved
Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 5:46 am
Hello, IC, I like to drop in now and again to see if there have been any philosophical break throughs.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 12:09 am
Hey, Harbal! You're back! Welcome back to the circus.
