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Henry

I'm interested in your perspective on the question of equality. First, do you believe equal opportunity is a possible ideal in a society which values prestige? In the animal world it is called survival of the fittest. I don't believe so and it seems that practical people understand it so value personal freedom. Of course the "educated" believe it does provided the right experts are put in charge to create the socialists utopia. Practical people see right through this fantasy.

But is a society where equality of opportunity possible even if it doesn't exist now? As a practical person is equality of opportunity a possible but distant ideal or is what you see is what you get regardless of all the platitudes suggesting the opposite..

Nick_A wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:12 am Henry

I'm interested in your perspective on the question of equality. First, do you believe equal opportunity is a possible ideal in a society which values prestige? In the animal world it is called survival of the fittest. I don't believe so and it seems that practical people understand it so value personal freedom. Of course the "educated" believe it does provided the right experts are put in charge to create the socialists utopia. Practical people see right through this fantasy.

But is a society where equality of opportunity possible even if it doesn't exist now? As a practical person is equality of opportunity a possible but distant ideal or is what you see is what you get regardless of all the platitudes suggesting the opposite..

Nick, as I say over in the equality thread...

henry quirk wrote: ↑Fri Aug 07, 2020 8:08 pm there can be no guarantee of outcome or opportunity for some without regulatin' the outcomes or opportunities of all

no, equality is only meaningful as created equal

that is: Joe, the crippled idiot is no less a person than Stan, the vigorous smarty-pants

in other words: you don't have to hire Joe, but you don't get to pack him in a cattle car and send him to the camp just cuz he is a crippled idiot

Nick_A wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:12 am Henry

I'm interested in your perspective on the question of equality. First, do you believe equal opportunity is a possible ideal in a society which values prestige? In the animal world it is called survival of the fittest. I don't believe so and it seems that practical people understand it so value personal freedom. Of course the "educated" believe it does provided the right experts are put in charge to create the socialists utopia. Practical people see right through this fantasy.

But is a society where equality of opportunity possible even if it doesn't exist now? As a practical person is equality of opportunity a possible but distant ideal or is what you see is what you get regardless of all the platitudes suggesting the opposite..

I believe the preferred alt-right terminology your people use for someone who throws his master such a pathetic softball for grandstanding as that is "beta cuck".

henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:32 am https://accordingtohoyt.com/2020/08/24/ ... of-humans/

Devisive, unreasonable, passably written* strawman argument. Should probably actually cite Flew seeing as it is so comprehensively stolen though. That blog is the work of a hard line extremist, and only really valid criticism of the most extreme hardliners on the other side, yet it's passed off as some broadly applicable generic criticism of even the moderate left.


* in parts, other parts are confusing nonsense in need of severe editing

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:05 pm

Nick_A wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:12 am Henry

I'm interested in your perspective on the question of equality. First, do you believe equal opportunity is a possible ideal in a society which values prestige? In the animal world it is called survival of the fittest. I don't believe so and it seems that practical people understand it so value personal freedom. Of course the "educated" believe it does provided the right experts are put in charge to create the socialists utopia. Practical people see right through this fantasy.

But is a society where equality of opportunity possible even if it doesn't exist now? As a practical person is equality of opportunity a possible but distant ideal or is what you see is what you get regardless of all the platitudes suggesting the opposite..

I believe the preferred alt-right terminology your people use for someone who throws his master such a pathetic softball for grandstanding as that is "beta cuck".

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:09 pm

henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:32 am https://accordingtohoyt.com/2020/08/24/ ... of-humans/

Devisive, unreasonable, passably written* strawman argument. Should probably actually cite Flew seeing as it is so comprehensively stolen though. That blog is the work of a hard line extremist, and only really valid criticism of the most extreme hardliners on the other side, yet it's passed off as some broadly applicable generic criticism of even the moderate left.


* in parts, other parts are confusing nonsense in need of severe editing

henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:26 pm

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:09 pm

henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:32 am https://accordingtohoyt.com/2020/08/24/ ... of-humans/

Devisive, unreasonable, passably written* strawman argument. Should probably actually cite Flew seeing as it is so comprehensively stolen though. That blog is the work of a hard line extremist, and only really valid criticism of the most extreme hardliners on the other side, yet it's passed off as some broadly applicable generic criticism of even the moderate left.


* in parts, other parts are confusing nonsense in need of severe editing

You can wave your thumb around all you like, it was accurate.

All this stuff you , Nick and Mannie do when you gripe about THE LEFT is by definition devisive, it's typically also hypocritical, as you invariably describe traits you ignore or even endorse when expressed by the right wing, often the very far right such as your friend the openly white supremacist suasage dog. Nontheless, that blog actually takes seriously an openly fucking absurd question "Is considering humans as inherently good a right or left thing?". What kind of absurd zealot could deal in such silliness as that? Well, you and Mannie and Nick I suppose, and no doubt Walker when he ends his little strop. But it's a hostile, devisive and dishonest question to even consider and the author should be ashamed.

As for the wuality of the writing, here's an unedited paragraph:

At which point, I rolled my eyes so hard they went under the sofa. And let me tell you that with Havey having now claimed me as his person (in his half -daft way. I don’t know what instructions Greebo left him, but running over me, screaming starting at six am is NOT the way to get me up and writing.) those eyes were COVERED in fuzz.

What the absolute fuck is that pile of word vomit even for?

yes, I can

Shouldn't crap that can't withstand basic scrutiny and which can only be defended by feebly waving emojis be reserved for Facebook instead of what purports (albeit with little validity) to be a philosophy forum?

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:06 pm Shouldn't crap that can't withstand basic scrutiny and which can only be defended by feebly waving emojis be reserved for Facebook instead of what purports (albeit with little validity) to be a philosophy forum?

you can lobby Amod to intercede on your behalf; me, I ain't doin' shit for you

'nuff said

Are you really so hyperpartisan that you can seriously consider a question like: "Is considering humans as inherently good a right or left thing?"

Is some thumbs down action when a sane passer by calls you on it really all that you, Henry, are good for? Is this the limit of your standards?

henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:42 pm

Sane enough to spot that the question you pointed us to is entirely mad. What kind of loon would take it seriously?