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Proof and Existence
Posted: Sun May 10, 2020 3:25 pm
by Eodnhoj7
The nature of proof existing requires proof as a subset of existence itself thus not representing a totality of knowledge. This absence of totality in knowledge further necessitates proof as requiring further proofs beyond it thus resulting in an inconsistency in proof considering it reflects an absence of complete knowledge.
Existence is proof, thus resulting in the whole of existence as proof for itself which further necessitates proof as existent through degrees. Proof as existent through degrees, observes proof as strictly an observation of a series of relations.
For example proof that a rat eats x amount of food under y conditions does not address how much food a rat consumes under z conditions. The proof is a series of relations between a set of variable and that is it.
The totality of existence itself, however, acts as a supreme variable in and of itself thus further relegating proof to a singular context of existence where being is determined "as is". The supreme context of "existence" where being occurs "as is" necessitates proof as having a cyclical form where existence is proof and proof is a subset of existence. That which exists is proven and this proof only occurs through existence itself, existence exists therefore a circularity occurs.
Re: Proof and Existence
Posted: Sun May 10, 2020 5:50 pm
by commonsense
When you read someone else’s proof, are you open-minded? Before you answer, just ask yourself these ten questions:
https://philosophynow.org/issues/47/Ass ... Mindedness
Not enough time to be bothered? Just read the bolded print.
Re: Proof and Existence
Posted: Sun May 10, 2020 8:00 pm
by RCSaunders
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 3:25 pm
The nature of proof existing requires proof as a subset of existence itself thus not representing a totality of knowledge. This absence of totality in knowledge further necessitates proof as requiring further proofs beyond it thus resulting in an inconsistency in proof considering it reflects an absence of complete knowledge.
Existence is proof, thus resulting in the whole of existence as proof for itself which further necessitates proof as existent through degrees. Proof as existent through degrees, observes proof as strictly an observation of a series of relations.
For example proof that a rat eats x amount of food under y conditions does not address how much food a rat consumes under z conditions. The proof is a series of relations between a set of variable and that is it.
The totality of existence itself, however, acts as a supreme variable in and of itself thus further relegating proof to a singular context of existence where being is determined "as is". The supreme context of "existence" where being occurs "as is" necessitates proof as having a cyclical form where existence is proof and proof is a subset of existence. That which exists is proven and this proof only occurs through existence itself, existence exists therefore a circularity occurs.
Knowledge does not require proof.
Re: Proof and Existence
Posted: Sun May 10, 2020 10:07 pm
by Eodnhoj7
RCSaunders wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 8:00 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 3:25 pm
The nature of proof existing requires proof as a subset of existence itself thus not representing a totality of knowledge. This absence of totality in knowledge further necessitates proof as requiring further proofs beyond it thus resulting in an inconsistency in proof considering it reflects an absence of complete knowledge.
Existence is proof, thus resulting in the whole of existence as proof for itself which further necessitates proof as existent through degrees. Proof as existent through degrees, observes proof as strictly an observation of a series of relations.
For example proof that a rat eats x amount of food under y conditions does not address how much food a rat consumes under z conditions. The proof is a series of relations between a set of variable and that is it.
The totality of existence itself, however, acts as a supreme variable in and of itself thus further relegating proof to a singular context of existence where being is determined "as is". The supreme context of "existence" where being occurs "as is" necessitates proof as having a cyclical form where existence is proof and proof is a subset of existence. That which exists is proven and this proof only occurs through existence itself, existence exists therefore a circularity occurs.
Knowledge does not require proof.
Knowledge is proof in the respect both are the observation of a relationship between phenomena.
Re: Proof and Existence
Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 1:13 am
by RCSaunders
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 10:07 pm
Knowledge is proof ...
Since when? Is this your own private definition?
Re: Proof and Existence
Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 7:23 pm
by Eodnhoj7
RCSaunders wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 1:13 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 10:07 pm
Knowledge is proof ...
Since when? Is this your own private definition?
Knowledge:
"facts, information, and skills acquired by a person through experience or education; the theoretical or practical understanding of a subject."
Proof:
"evidence or argument
establishing or helping to establish a fact or the truth of a statement."
Re: Proof and Existence
Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 8:01 pm
by commonsense
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 7:23 pm
RCSaunders wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 1:13 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 10:07 pm
Knowledge is proof ...
Since when? Is this your own private definition?
Knowledge:
"facts, information, and skills acquired by a person through experience or education; the theoretical or practical understanding of a subject."
Proof:
"evidence or argument
establishing or helping to establish a fact or the truth of a statement."
Good one. Clearly, knowledge/fact serves as proof/evidence.
Re: Proof and Existence
Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 8:48 pm
by Eodnhoj7
commonsense wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 8:01 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 7:23 pm
RCSaunders wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 1:13 am
Since when? Is this your own private definition?
Knowledge:
"facts, information, and skills acquired by a person through experience or education; the theoretical or practical understanding of a subject."
Proof:
"evidence or argument
establishing or helping to establish a fact or the truth of a statement."
Good one. Clearly, knowledge/fact serves as proof/evidence.
And vice versa.
Re: Proof and Existence
Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 9:57 pm
by commonsense
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 8:48 pm
commonsense wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 8:01 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 7:23 pm
Knowledge:
"facts, information, and skills acquired by a person through experience or education; the theoretical or practical understanding of a subject."
Proof:
"evidence or argument
establishing or helping to establish a fact or the truth of a statement."
Good one. Clearly, knowledge/fact serves as proof/evidence.
And vice versa.
Definitely!