gaffo wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 8:34 pm
FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 12:46 am
gaffo wrote: ↑Sat May 23, 2020 9:50 pm
per full metal jacket, why list that one only, of the list i provided its is lesser work that 3/4 of the rest.
Your thread title was a reference to that specific movie, so I specified the same.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD4q3leE5Uw
gaffo wrote: ↑Sat May 23, 2020 9:50 pm
I never claimed to be "Special" ( or "better" per your labeling of me) - more aptly i claim to be "alone".
Alone in liking a bunch of fairly usual stuff that lots of people like though. I'm no movie buff and I know a bunch of those. If you want to make a list of movies that other people loathe, then you probably should leave out Kubrik's greatest hits.
no need to leave out Kubrick, he was the director of all time, BTW his 2001 - if offered today, would be an utter failure - "boring" would by the mass reply.
so something IS different in today's western society than the society we had in 68 that viewed and appreciated Kubrick's best work.
You
speculate that 2001 wouldn't succeed. Obviously you cannot possibly
know such a thing for a fact unless you are able to rummage up an alternate universe to test that claim.
Anyway, you promised a list of movies that people loathe, and that one is widely enjoyed. What are you trying to change your point to, given that you have abandoned the original one?
gaffo wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 8:34 pm
FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 12:46 am
But have a quick look again, you claimed to be an outcast iconoclast, and you called everyone who doesn't share your tastes "sheep" and "borg", so don't tell me that wasn't you laying claim to a little bit of superiority there, that would be disingenuous.
Look, I just stating my mentality here - I don;t like arrogant assholes - including when it is from myself!
If those words were true it would be very big of you. But you made a whiny post about how special you are, and when that was justly ignored you made a second about how special you still are and how everyone ignoring you is a sheep. And now you are still huffing and puffing about your wounded dignity with
no humility whatsoever.
gaffo wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 8:34 pm
I see your point, and maybe you are right, but i an not an arrogant asshole, i just see a lack of really good"art" per movies via the last few decades - (you an "art is relivant" so one's horshit anothers gold bar? (if so we have nothing to debate here) - I see a lowering of our "art" of film since the 70's and imo its a reflection of our decaying culture. (so maybe an an arrogant asshole - instead of a sensitive soul in a culture not longer sensitive) - call me an arrogant asshole if that make you feel better.
Well art is in the eye of the beholder, but I see no very good reason to say that good movies with good characters stopped happening at any particular time. What happened to Blue Velvet (80s), Fight Club (90s), Persepolis (00s), Death of Stalin (recent)? These are at least as good as Rollerball which you cited as a good older movie for some reason.
gaffo wrote: ↑Sat May 23, 2020 9:50 pm
liking movies that call to universal humanity, and empathy, rather than bleak and heartless nihilism and superhero character movies i cannot identify with (blakc and white - villians and uber perfect heros - neither of which am i so no interest in veiwing not being either nor able to be in thier shoes).
cba?
Stand's for can't be arsed, I guess it's a bit too modern for your tastes.
gaffo wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 8:34 pm
FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 12:46 am
but from what I am told, superheroes are supposed to have a bit of an edge these days, and the villains usually need to evoke some sympathy.
I take your word on the above, for me i have no interest, watching a couple of wick type movies, and not identifing with a pure good and perfect hero, nor with an evil dummy who is equally 2d - pure evil (only diff between the hero and the villian and the hero is smart and villain dumb, and hero idestructible, and villian has feet of clay - of course).
Then watch something else. Movies like you describe as if they are the only thing made these days are a rarity.
gaffo wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 8:34 pm
FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 12:46 am
There is nothing at all special about your dislike of one dimensional goody two shoes heroes, that's why there's no audience for them any more.
WTF? sure there is! its why were are trillion of Bond flicks and Wick flicks.
perfect immortal 2d heros. kicking the asses of the 2d dumb villains.
- what world are you living in?
There are 3 John Wick movies, quit basing your argument on that.
There have been many James Bond movies of course, but many of them predate your cutoff time for cinematic excellence, and the newer ones don't have appreciably dumber villains, nor do they have a less connflicted hero, so that is the shittest possible example you could have chosen for this tiresome rant.
gaffo wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 8:34 pm
I know for a fack that Lumet best movie Fail Safe would fail at the box office today.
Of course you don't know that for a fact. you are asserting it with zero evidence and no possible way of getting any.
gaffo wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 8:34 pm
folks would leave the theater saying, "the prez bombed NYC!" "weak prez" etc.........gray, real world morality is no longer allowed in our martial society.
I'm sorry, is it your assertion that moral difficulty has been entirely expunged from modern film? Please go into more detail. I know that movie and that decision is a bit of a no-brainer under the circumstances.
gaffo wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 8:34 pm
only B/W good guys and bad guys.
So ... Renton in Trainspotting (90s) for instance - he was a junkie who stole a bunch of money from his junkie friends, but he's teh hero of the movie. How does he fit in the B/W good guys thing?
Fuck, even Captain Jack Sparrow doesn't fit that shit you are serving me here.
gaffo wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 8:34 pm
3rd remake of Fail Safe would have Prez pounding his desk - and call a preptive stike on Russia before the Ruskies had a chance to figure out WTF was going on.
America triumphs! happy ending, the curtain falls and the audience applauds.
- thus the difference between the Day After and Threads.
Of course, Americans make movies where America wins ..
America fuck yeah! ... ROdeos .. Bed Bath and Beyond...
I mean apart from Black Hawk Down I suppose.
gaffo wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 8:34 pm
gaffo wrote: ↑Sat May 23, 2020 9:50 pm
---------------agian, why are the last really good movies - with human and complex characters date to the 1970's and eariier? (Rollerball) - vs say "john wick" (kick ass mr perfect against 2d villain russian) - latter is pure crap.
FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 12:46 am
Have you noticed yet that you are just old and you stopped enjoying new things some time ago? I've seen you do this same sort of routine with music, where if I recall you complained because the stadium filling cheese rock you enjoy ran out of steam in the 70s too.
yes i'm "old" but i think you my miss-remeber my view per music.
I do not like cheez rick, i do like rock, the best rock era was the late 60's and early 70's - then later become cheezy - 80's was a era with almost no rock - U2/Black Crows/REM were the only ones i rem offhand to keep it alive. I was overjoyed when Grudge returned in the 90's to restore "rock" music - and in fact IMO - the early 90's rock was near on par with the late 60's era of rock. sadly it was removed via the tsunami of RAP by the mid 90's and the rest is history - rock died as a mainline musical form by the late 90's.
Rock now is like Jazz, with folks like Lake Street dive, Tacocat, Black Mountain/etc
Yeah, you aren't really disproving my point there. The 80s was an era with loads of great rock n roll music, it's the decade that gave you the Jesus and Mary Chain, not to mention the Pixies and The Cure. The 90s had other stuff beyond Nirvana and Pearl Jam too (sorry, but you don't strike me as somebody who thinks Mudhoney when they say 'grunge').
gaffo wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 8:34 pm
FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 12:46 am
It's perfectly ok to be a grumpy old sourpuss who doesn't really get all that new stuff the kids like, and to want the good old days back again becasue that was when you felt vital and sprightly and the world was a little bit nicer for you. But it doesn't justify climbing up on your cross and lathering yourself with pity, which is what you did in your second post in this thread.
thanks or your flipantcy, now kindly back it up with:
Why Micheal Bay (modern movies) movies are as good or better than Kubric (old movies).
I await your critic of the masterpiece Tranformers, and how it is so much better than 2001.
Michael Bay movies aren't good (well I've never seen one, but I hear they are just SFX showcases). But most old movies weern't good either. Have you ever seen that flick where ronald Reagan was accompanied by fucking chimpanzee - or that one where Dirty Harry wanders round with an ape of soms sort, or any Burt Reynolds movie that's just about some guy with a mustach driving without due care and attention? They are total gash. So the existence of bad movies today, and good movies in the past, doesn't imply that there are no good movies today or that no bad ones were made back in your day.
So you get your own question back at you you. You must now furnish me with your evidence that Smokey and the Bandit is better than The Grand Budapest Hotel, or Lost in Translation. Fuck, try and show it's better than Borat, or Gladiator or something.