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Can Yahweh always do what he wills, or can people thwart him?

Scriptures seem conflicted on the answer.

They show an all-powerful god whose plan and will cannot be thwarted or derailed, while at the same time indicating that he cannot do his will and that people can derail his plan to save everyone.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Do you have faith?

If you do, you cannot believe in hell. You would not think god a loser by believing he saves us all, as his will indicates. Those scriptures say he has no need of a hell for us.

Do you see god as too incompetent to do his will of saving us all?

Or do you see god as a universalist god who does his will and saves us all?

Regards
DL

Abram talked down the number of rightious in Saddam/Gamorra from 100 to 10.

so ya some folks can change YHWH;s mind - at least one could.

so they say.

gaffo wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 5:23 am Abram talked down the number of rightious in Saddam/Gamorra from 100 to 10.

so ya some folks can change YHWH;s mind - at least one could.

so they say.

So the myth goes.

That same myth says that once god says it, it is forever.

The great judge, Yahweh, does not change his mind from innocent to guilty, --- unless their is a suitable blood sacrifice.

Regards
DL

He controls everything and in about 10 years a nuclear war will come, he controls the minds of humans.

HexHammer wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 8:39 pm He controls everything and in about 10 years a nuclear war will come, he controls the minds of humans.

Supernatural foolish thinking is for fools.

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DL

Greatest I am wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 5:14 pm

gaffo wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 5:23 am Abram talked down the number of rightious in Saddam/Gamorra from 100 to 10.

so ya some folks can change YHWH;s mind - at least one could.

so they say.

So the myth goes.

That same myth says that once god says it, it is forever.

The great judge, Yahweh, does not change his mind from innocent to guilty, --- unless their is a suitable blood sacrifice.

Regards
DL

speaking of blood sacrifice, Abraham and Isaac - really is not about YHWH demanding Isaac's blood, but is an historical document - Exodus - that story IMO is a reflection of the pre-exodus YHWH (where like Moloc) HE did (and yes the Jews in prehistory must have killed their male firstborn (as folks did for Baal - YHWH brother at that time - before and after too) - so Jews killed thier kids for God, until exodus told them it as no longer needed, and so Abaraham saw the ram - and thus the scapgoat (not related to the other goat Azazel gets - which is also a scapgoat of sorts).

if hell is simply the absence of god...

-Imp

gaffo wrote: ↑Sat May 09, 2020 1:12 am

Greatest I am wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 5:14 pm

gaffo wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 5:23 am Abram talked down the number of rightious in Saddam/Gamorra from 100 to 10.

so ya some folks can change YHWH;s mind - at least one could.

so they say.

So the myth goes.

That same myth says that once god says it, it is forever.

The great judge, Yahweh, does not change his mind from innocent to guilty, --- unless their is a suitable blood sacrifice.

Regards
DL

speaking of blood sacrifice, Abraham and Isaac - really is not about YHWH demanding Isaac's blood, but is an historical document - Exodus - that story IMO is a reflection of the pre-exodus YHWH (where like Moloc) HE did (and yes the Jews in prehistory must have killed their male firstborn (as folks did for Baal - YHWH brother at that time - before and after too) - so Jews killed thier kids for God, until exodus told them it as no longer needed, and so Abaraham saw the ram - and thus the scapgoat (not related to the other goat Azazel gets - which is also a scapgoat of sorts).

That was a dumb statement buddy. There is no evidence of the wholesale killing you are talking about.

If you see the Jewish myth as history and not fantasy, you are not as intelligent as I thought you were.

I hope you can see how intelligent the ancients were as compared to the mental efforts that modern preachers and theists are using with the literal reading of myths.

https://bigthink.com/videos/what-is-god-2-2

Further.
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/03132009/watch.html

Rabbi Hillel, the older contemporary of Jesus, said that when asked to sum up the whole of Jewish teaching, while he stood on one leg, said, "The Golden Rule. That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the Torah. And everything else is only commentary. Now, go and study it."

Please listen as to what is said about the literal reading of myths.

"Origen, the great second or third century Greek commentator on the Bible said that it is absolutely impossible to take these texts literally. You simply cannot do so. And he said, "God has put these sort of conundrums and paradoxes in so that we are forced to seek a deeper meaning."

Matt 7;12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

This is how early Gnostic Christians view the transition from reading myths properly to destructive literal reading and idol worship.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02cia ... =PLCBF574D

Regards
DL

Impenitent wrote: ↑Sat May 09, 2020 1:41 am if hell is simply the absence of god...

-Imp

A good think given his genocidal nature. Right?

Regards
DL