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No such thing as free decision. The parasites in one's brain know what you're going to do or feel before you do because they're the ones who made you do it. You only feel the effect and that it's your mind that makes decisions when actually they decided before you. Also, some parasites are more intelligent than other parasites!
What is known is that there is a correlation between experience and brain activity. Consciousness is due to Matter activity. There is causation too. In the middle, we have a decision. Brain activity cannot resolve the conflict of interest in a situation when options are equally liked. That is true since the matter is a deterministic substance, one input and one output. There is no algorithm for free decision. It is not due to a deterministic object.Impenitent wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:05 pm mind is reducible- it is dependent on various parts of the human brain, as demonstrated physically and chemically...
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Oh yeah, My argument is simple, two premises and one conclusion: 1) Mind is irreducible, 2) Anything which is irreducible is immortal, 3) Therefore, mind is immortal. I can prove the two premises.
Threre are decisions that is done with your conscious being. You cannot say that you do not matter. Unless you are at the bottom of decision hierarchy, you can contribute in the conscious decision.Dubious wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 6:02 amNo such thing as free decision. The parasites in one's brain know what you're going to do or feel before you do because they're the ones who made you do it. You only feel the effect and that it's your mind that makes decisions when actually they decided before you. Also, some parasites are more intelligent than other parasites!
It's just a tautology based on a false premise.
I'm not saying I don't matter. I'm saying there are parasites in the brain which influence decision making more than we would like to think. It's also a convenient way of passing the buck in a Trumpian manner. If it's a good decision then we're the ones who made it; if a bad one we'll blame it on the parasites, which according to Trump are ALL Democrats.bahman wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 9:45 pmThrere are decisions that is done with your conscious being. You cannot say that you do not matter. Unless you are at the bottom of decision hierarchy, you can contribute in the conscious decision.Dubious wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 6:02 amNo such thing as free decision. The parasites in one's brain know what you're going to do or feel before you do because they're the ones who made you do it. You only feel the effect and that it's your mind that makes decisions when actually they decided before you. Also, some parasites are more intelligent than other parasites!
What is known is that there is a correlation between experience and brain activity. Consciousness is due to Matter activity. There is causation too. In the middle, we have a decision. Brain activity cannot resolve the conflict of interest in a situation when options are equally liked. That is true since the matter is a deterministic substance, one input and one output. There is no algorithm for free decision. It is not due to a deterministic object.Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 10:20 pmIt's just a tautology based on a false premise.
The mind is wholly reliant on its generation by living healthy neural tissue.
This is a no brainer, and fully consistent with the empirical facts
Oh yeah, very true.Dubious wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:18 pmI'm not saying I don't matter. I'm saying there are parasites in the brain which influence decision making more than we would like to think. It's also a convenient way of passing the buck in a Trumpian manner. If it's a good decision then we're the ones who made it; if a bad one we'll blame it on the parasites, which according to Trump are ALL Democrats.bahman wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 9:45 pmThrere are decisions that is done with your conscious being. You cannot say that you do not matter. Unless you are at the bottom of decision hierarchy, you can contribute in the conscious decision.Dubious wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 6:02 am
No such thing as free decision. The parasites in one's brain know what you're going to do or feel before you do because they're the ones who made you do it. You only feel the effect and that it's your mind that makes decisions when actually they decided before you. Also, some parasites are more intelligent than other parasites!
Not relevant.bahman wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:46 pmWhat is known is that there is a correlation between experience and brain activity. Consciousness is due to Matter activity. There is causation too. In the middle, we have a decision. Brain activity cannot resolve the conflict of interest in a situation when options are equally liked. That is true since the matter is a deterministic substance, one input and one output. There is no algorithm for free decision. It is not due to a deterministic object.
It is relevant. The mind is real if the free decision is real. It then follows that the mind is irreducible as the free decision is irreducible.Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:27 pmNot relevant.bahman wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:46 pmWhat is known is that there is a correlation between experience and brain activity. Consciousness is due to Matter activity. There is causation too. In the middle, we have a decision. Brain activity cannot resolve the conflict of interest in a situation when options are equally liked. That is true since the matter is a deterministic substance, one input and one output. There is no algorithm for free decision. It is not due to a deterministic object.
I can prove the second premise (the first premise is illustrated in the previous comment, it is obvious). The second premise can be proven by other arguments, 1) The mind cannot be created and 2) Something which cannot be created cannot be annihilated. I have a separate thread for each of these.
Minds are created everyday.bahman wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:39 pmIt is relevant. The mind is real if the free decision is real. It then follows that the mind is irreducible as the free decision is irreducible.Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:27 pmNot relevant.bahman wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:46 pm
What is known is that there is a correlation between experience and brain activity. Consciousness is due to Matter activity. There is causation too. In the middle, we have a decision. Brain activity cannot resolve the conflict of interest in a situation when options are equally liked. That is true since the matter is a deterministic substance, one input and one output. There is no algorithm for free decision. It is not due to a deterministic object.
I can prove the second premise (the first premise is illustrated in the previous comment, it is obvious). The second premise can be proven by other arguments, 1) The mind cannot be created and 2) Something which cannot be created cannot be annihilated. I have a separate thread for each of these.