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Note: this solution is theism/atheism-indiscriminate viz. "god-or-no-god".
It simultaneously satisfies both conditions:

If god exists (and is all-knowing) it must know all: not to believe, thus
knowing all not to believe entails approaching any possible all-knowing god.

If god exists not, knowing all not to believe entails knowing not to believe
in the (real) existence (thus tribute/worship) of an all-knowing god.

In both cases, knowing all not to believe
definitely satisfies an indefinite approach
towards any possible all-knowing "state",
GOD-OR-NO-GOD.

GENESIS 2:17
ומעץ הדעת טוב ורע לא תאכל ממנו כי ביום אכלך ממנו מות תמות
And of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil: do not eat from it
for eating thereof in time shall certainly cause death (over death).

GENESIS 3:4-5
ויאמר הנחש אל האשה לא מות תמתון
כי ידע אלהים כי ביום אכלכם ממנו ונפקחו עיניכם והייתם כאלהים ידעי טוב ורע
And saying the serpent 'certainly you shall not die as elohim doth know that in time as ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall open, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil'.

nothing wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 8:41 pm All that is needed to understand this is by employing
simple null-boundary pairs of binary roots and operators
(just as a being is rooted in two legs while operating two arms)
whose own internal relationship is that of reciprocal nature:


͏͏ ͏͏ ͏͏ ͏͏ ͏͏ ͏͏ ͏͏ to KNOW ͏͏ ͏͏ ͏͏ ∞͏͏ ͏͏ ͏͏  to BELIEVE  ͏͏ ͏͏ ͏͏ ͏͏ ͏͏ ͏
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viz. by fixing the roots of ALL causation/cessation as 'to know' and 'to believe', one retrieves a primordial antitheses:
to know ALL (thus) NOT to believe = ever-expands and approaches all-knowing (god-or-no-god)
to believe ALL (thus) NOT to know = ever-contracts and approaches all-belief-based ignorance(s)
causing, sustaining an/or otherwise impeding on the cessation of any/all manner and form of human suffering.

It takes a "believer" to ever somehow "believe"
the opposite of what is true:
war is (a means to) "peace",
abuse is (a means of) "mercy",
hate is religiously "justified",
evil is good / satan is god,
wrong is right / false is true,
murderdom is "martyrdom",
themselves "superior" to others /
others "inferior" to themselves,
and/or that someone else is responsible
for their own choices/actions such
to BLAME, BLAME and BLAME others
for their own suffering state of being.

Thus concerning the heinous and criminal division:

"BELIEVER vs. UNBELIEVER"

"BELIEVERS" suffer KNOWING not
whence their own suffering, for
religiously BLAMING others for it.

And concerning the "Abrahamic" Judaism/Christianity/Islam:
Adam blamed the woman (and god) for his own disobedience,
(Eve follows by blaming the serpent for her own ignorance),
thus the Religion of Adam is Blame (In Both Hands)
yet there are believers who willingly admit that theirs
is certainly the "religion of Adam" (and "pbuh") perhaps forgetting
Adam and Eve got kicked out of Eden for disobeying god.

All knowledge negates all belief-based ignorance(s) ad infinitum.
No all-knowing god could or would be ignorant of the same, rather would be knowing of all
who is and is not concerning / abiding by the only admonishment ever given directly to man:

GENESIS 2:17
ומעץ הדעת טוב ורע לא תאכל ממנו כי ביום אכלך ממנו מות תמות
And of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil: do not eat from it
for eating thereof in time shall certainly cause death (over death).

= to believe ALL (thus) NOT to know ...

GENESIS 3:4-5
ויאמר הנחש אל האשה לא מות תמתון
כי ידע אלהים כי ביום אכלכם ממנו ונפקחו עיניכם והייתם כאלהים ידעי טוב ורע
And saying the serpent 'certainly you shall not die as elohim doth know that in time as ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall open, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil'.

= to know ALL (thus) NOT to believe ...

Thus if life is a test, it can only be one single question:
what is one willing to believe?
(such to perpetually bring suffering and death into the world).

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 4:10 pm Being is not rooted in two arms and two legs....the animal kingdom expresses this.


Belief and knowledge are codependent. All knowledge is built upon premises, which are assumed, these assumed premises are believed. These assumptions are connected to further assumptions, as further beliefs. All knowledge is justified true belief.

nothing wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:59 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 4:10 pm Being is not rooted in two arms and two legs....the animal kingdom expresses this.


Belief and knowledge are codependent. All knowledge is built upon premises, which are assumed, these assumed premises are believed. These assumptions are connected to further assumptions, as further beliefs. All knowledge is justified true belief.

All physical phenomena is rooted in a 4x4 (16) axes composed of a space-time relational constant:

E = MC²
16 = Φπ²

Thay necessitates all being, as rooted in an axis, is rooted in space.

First axis is {ALPHA+/-OMEGA}: allows bidirectional spin.
Second is {BEG}{END} which only applies if/when physical.

What is true for the photon is true for the being: we are ourselves rooted in the same
expressed in/as the human body. Our beg/end is captured about our two legs (over 98% of our DNA is "animal"),
our use of discretion alpha/omega determines our direction/velocity.

As above, so below. This is not just a saying: it is so.

Our being is not limited to two legs.

Yes belief and knowledge are codependent: falsifying all belief(s) begets all knowledge(s).

Thus belief is necessary as it acts as the negative limits which define knowledge for what it is.


But all beliefs are too built upon premises, thus 'premises' has no bearing on any knowledge/belief dichotomy.
False, a dichotomy, that which is divided, is a premise.


However, knowledge-based premises are discernible from belief-based ones
by other means: premises may have no degrees of relative uncertainty.

False, they are justified by further premises.

Confining knowledge to premises while ignoring that belief be the same
betrays the "premise" of knowledge: to negate any/all false premises
otherwise suffered to be "believed" in.

In any conceivable all-knowing state, what could one possibly be uncertain about?

Knowing one is uncertain implies consciousness: to be in question/query/inquiry (progression).
Believing one is certain implies unconsciousness: to be in a fixed/resolute state (regression).
Because there is a universal progression, one is either knowingly going with the progression, as it progresses,
or one becomes resolutely fixed to some belief, thus relatively in regression (a result of which is suffering/death).

It's the same story over-and-over: eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil
implies believing anyone (including and especially ones own self) and/or anything to no less degree
than absolute certainty, yet while being wrong, one is thus certainly absolutely dead wrong:
it is only a matter of time until/when it is finally 'acknowledged'.


Prove the tree of Good and Evil exists....you cannot. It is taken on belief or as a metaphor.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:29 pm Thay necessitates all being, as rooted in an axis, is rooted in space.

Our being is not limited to two legs.

Thus belief is necessary as it acts as the negative limits which define knowledge for what it is.

False, a dichotomy, that which is divided, is a premise.

False, they are justified by further premises.

Prove the tree of Good and Evil exists....you cannot. It is taken on belief or as a metaphor.

nothing wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 7:23 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:29 pm Thay necessitates all being, as rooted in an axis, is rooted in space.

No it doesn't: the axes is transcendental.

False, an axis is always grounded in form thus exists as spatial.

All physical being is rooted in space/time, but not all being is physical.

Our being is not limited to two legs.

Not to, by.
Not legs, roots (x2).
Not only, also operators (x2)
and discretion (1x).

All being is rooted in form.

Hence: √5 and
(π+π√5)/2π = Φ and
π = 4√Φ wherein '4'
is the axes, and 2π is
a null-boundary scalable
"loop" of circular time.

Thus belief is necessary as it acts as the negative limits which define knowledge for what it is.

Necessary to "truthify" into knowledge (thus graduating from belief) or falsify (thus graduating into knowledge).
Belief can only approach knowledge at best, it never is knowledge.

Belief defines knowledge as a negative limit to knowledge.

False, a dichotomy, that which is divided, is a premise.

There is nothing wrong with a premise.

Premises however do have bearing on knowledge and belief.

But all beliefs are too built upon premises, thus 'premises' has no bearing on any knowledge/belief dichotomy. /color]

False, they are justified by further premises.

Same answer as before.

Prove the tree of Good and Evil exists....you cannot. It is taken on belief or as a metaphor.

The literature is metaphorical: knowledge would entail knowing that.
I don't need to prove it metaphorically/metaphysically exists,
it is proven by time itself, as human suffering is endured over time,
thus if there is no human suffering, time becomes meaningless.

[colo

This is why S-T-N (Satan/Saturn) is referred to as "father time":
Shin: expression (of being)
Tet: bound
Nun (final): in an ongoing state...
Satan: expression of being bound in an ongoing state...

Follow 'bound' with any bind "to..."
...to believe (x) in an ongoing state...
...to blame (y) in an ongoing state...
...to suffer (z) in an ongoing state...
etc.

If no (poorly rooted) beliefs to suffer, time becomes meaningless,
thus does (fear of) death, thus mukti (liberation) is attained to.

If suffering is grounded in time, then one cannot negate suffering without negating time.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:08 pm False, an axis is always grounded in form thus exists as spatial.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:08 pm All being is rooted in form.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:08 pm But all beliefs are too built upon premises, thus 'premises' has no bearing on any knowledge/belief dichotomy.

Belief defines knowledge as a negative limit to knowledge.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:08 pm Premises however do have bearing on knowledge and belief.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:08 pm If suffering is grounded in time, then one cannot negate suffering without negating time.

nothing wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 10:33 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:08 pm False, an axis is always grounded in form thus exists as spatial.

Space and time are discernibly discrete units.
1 unit of space per 1 unit of time = "speed" of light.



Time is a ratio of lengths of space:
viewtopic.php?f=16&t=28921

Thus time is recursive spatial limits:
viewtopic.php?f=12&t=28827





E = MC² as physical
16 = Φπ² as metaphysical
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1 physical unit = 16 metaphysical units viz. 1:16 ratio.

See above, time is a ratio of lengths.




This is how/why π is actually 4/√Φ as 3.144605511029693144...

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:08 pm All being is rooted in form.

Metaphysical form precedes physical form:
As Above, So Below (immutably axiomatic).

[color=#FF0000]Form is the common underlying medial term this necessitating both physical and metaphysical as subject to form necessitating space as being the unifying bond between a posteriori and a priori:

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=28459
viewtopic.php?f=16&t=27681


[/color]



Time and space are reciprocal aspects of motion.
Φ = spatial constant (relative: M)
π² = temporal constant (relative: C²)
16 = axes (relative: 1).

[color=#FF0000]Time is a ratio of lengths. The number of revolutions of a particle results in a circumferance, this circumferance results in a length. The length of space a water droplet falls given the length of the unfurled circumferances of a particle's revolutions necessitates time as a ratio of spatial lengths. Time is the ratio of spaces.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:08 pm But all beliefs are too built upon premises, thus 'premises' has no bearing on any knowledge/belief dichotomy.

Belief defines knowledge as a negative limit to knowledge.

Belief implies absence of knowledge.
If: Belief=True, Knowledge=False
It's a simple binary.

[color=#FF0000]It is a false dichotomy. Knowledge is defined through the negative limits of belief. The same applies in reverse for belief is defined as the negative limits of knowledge. Each is respectively thetical and antithetical to the other. The underlying common bond is that limits form both.[/color]

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:08 pm Premises however do have bearing on knowledge and belief.

Thus can not be used to juxtapose: applies to both.

[color=#FF0000]Premises are the origin of both knowledge and belief.[/color]

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:08 pm If suffering is grounded in time, then one cannot negate suffering without negating time.

Suffering is not "grounded" in time, it is grounded in BELIEF.
[color=#FF0000]Belief is grounded in time as belief is the actualization of a phenomena given a period of time. Belief is observed in the aspect of hope where something is not actualized yet due to time.[/color]


Belief has a constituency, thus a consequent gravity, thus takes a curve in/as time.
[color=#FF0000]It is this subject to a law of physics and is a byproduct of the physical universe.
Gravity applies to knowledge as well under the gravity fallacy: viewtopic.php?f=26&t=27559
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Negation of suffering entails negating the belief causing the displacement(s) from unity.
Unity is a progression: photons do not have a velocity independent of the progression. They are carried by it.
Hence the diagram above: photons which we measure as the "speed" of light actually have an energy constituency of 16.
This constituency is a (2x2)² axes: alpha/omega/beg/end, is universally bestowed and locally employed.

Suffering is a result of photons which determine the foundations of belief. If all is formed by physical phenomenon, photons, then the photons are what determines the belief.

[color=#FF0000]The axis necessitates spatial form as determining knowledge, thus what we observe as a phenomenon is grounded in recursive space: viewtopic.php?f=12&t=28827

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"BELIEVER vs. UNBELIEVER"

It is (now) possible to measure the human suffering associated with this ideological division,
[color=#FF0000]No it isn't. Suffering cannot be quantified objectively except through personal self reflection, yet this quantification is not objective between individuals. One cannot feel another's personal pain except in reflecting upon their own.
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and is being done on another forum by people who actually care about human suffering,
hence my not wasting time here with people who can't but suffer themselves.

[color=#FF0000]Straw man...one can care about human suffering and disagree about the source.

Your premises contradict. Suffering is a personal subjective experience and cannot be universalized by a chart without believing a set of premises.[/color]

People who suffer themselves will never see past their own suffering such to see the world around them.

[color=#FF0000]Everyone suffers.[/color]

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:00 pm Time is a ratio of lengths of space:

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:00 pm Form is the common underlying medial term this necessitating both physical and metaphysical as subject to form necessitating space as being the unifying bond between a posteriori and a priori:

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:00 pm Time is a ratio of lengths. The number of revolutions of a particle results in a circumferance, this circumferance results in a length. The length of space a water droplet falls given the length of the unfurled circumferances of a particle's revolutions necessitates time as a ratio of spatial lengths. Time is the ratio of spaces.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:00 pm It is a false dichotomy. Knowledge is defined through the negative limits of belief. The same applies in reverse for belief is defined as the negative limits of knowledge. Each is respectively thetical and antithetical to the other. The underlying common bond is that limits form both.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:00 pm Premises are the origin of both knowledge and belief.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:00 pm Belief is grounded in time as belief is the actualization of a phenomena given a period of time. Belief is observed in the aspect of hope where something is not actualized yet due to time.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:00 pm It is this subject to a law of physics and is a byproduct of the physical universe.
Gravity applies to knowledge as well under the gravity fallacy:

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:00 pm Suffering is a result of photons which determine the foundations of belief. If all is formed by physical phenomenon, photons, then the photons are what determines the belief.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:00 pm No it isn't. Suffering cannot be quantified objectively except through personal self reflection, yet this quantification is not objective between individuals. One cannot feel another's personal pain except in reflecting upon their own.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:00 pm Your premises contradict. Suffering is a personal subjective experience and cannot be universalized by a chart without believing a set of premises.[

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:00 pm Everyone suffers.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:00 pm 1. Belief is acceptance.
...
18. Belief is knowledge.

nothing wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:09 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:00 pm Time is a ratio of lengths of space:

Time is an aspect of motion, like space.
v = s/t
Both are reciprocal aspects of motion. If:
v = 1/1
then: photon being carried by the progression.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:00 pm Form is the common underlying medial term this necessitating both physical and metaphysical as subject to form necessitating space as being the unifying bond between a posteriori and a priori:

Not form: motion. Space and time are not separate from one another.

True

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:00 pm Time is a ratio of lengths. The number of revolutions of a particle results in a circumferance, this circumferance results in a length. The length of space a water droplet falls given the length of the unfurled circumferances of a particle's revolutions necessitates time as a ratio of spatial lengths. Time is the ratio of spaces.

Length does not even have time as a constituency, only distance does, thus time is not a ratio of lengths.
Lengths have nothing to do with the physical universe: they are mathematical constructs.

False, all time is a series of rotations. As a series of rotations they exist as circumferances (ie x number of rotations is x number of circumferances). As circumferances they unfurl to lengths. Time is a series of lengths (ie "length" of time).

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:00 pm It is a false dichotomy. Knowledge is defined through the negative limits of belief. The same applies in reverse for belief is defined as the negative limits of knowledge. Each is respectively thetical and antithetical to the other. The underlying common bond is that limits form both.

to Know All approaches all-knowing
to Believe All approaches all-belief-based ignorance(s)

To know/believe all approaching know/believe all necessitates an absence of knowing/believing all as "approaching" necessitates a potential "more". This potential "more" necessitates that not all is known or believed.

to Know All∞Not to Believe both: approaches all-knowing while negating any/all belief-based ignorance(s)
causing/sustaining and/or otherwise impeding on the cessation of human suffering.

False, an "approach" necessitates an absence of all.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:00 pm Premises are the origin of both knowledge and belief.

Definite premises can be definitely true or not necessarily.
Space and time are measurably discrete units, thus 'discretion' is intrinsic to the cosmos.
This discretion is captured by the Α∞Ω axis of the photon "to be... or not to be... that is the discretion."

No. Any definition results in a simultaneous ambiguity.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:00 pm Belief is grounded in time as belief is the actualization of a phenomena given a period of time. Belief is observed in the aspect of hope where something is not actualized yet due to time.

Belief is "grounded" in time because it is not grounded in unity.
Photons are not displaced from the progression, thus are the universal "ground".
Belief = Darkness
Knowledge = Light

Photons are a fixed measurement point as an extension of the observer. A beginning measurement point can be reflected in electrons, consciousness, number etc.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:00 pm It is this subject to a law of physics and is a byproduct of the physical universe.
Gravity applies to knowledge as well under the gravity fallacy:

The laws that govern the physical are the same that govern the metaphysical: they are not different.
If you believe something that is not true, the constituency of the belief causes a displacement from unity.
Absence of truth is seperation. Belief may occur with something true as with something false. The same occurs with knowledge. I may have false knowledge that the sky is always blue. What necessitates this knowledge as false is its absence of alignment with empirical knowledge. Knowledge is justified belief.



If a body has a gravity, the constituency of the body expresses as a displacement from unity.
Gravity pulls phenomenon togetner.



Only photons are @ unity which do not have a speed/velocity independent of the progression which "carries" them.
They thus serve as datum whence to measure all that is displaced. This is why 'I am the light of the world' and
alpha/omega/beg/end are mutually consistent: photons have this axes as constituency, as do human beings such
that every being may concern unity at all times (or not). Again: discrete units is the key. Α∞Ω are discrete:
one is the denial of the other ie. IS∞NOT, TRUE∞FALSE, YAY∞NAY etc.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:00 pm Suffering is a result of photons which determine the foundations of belief. If all is formed by physical phenomenon, photons, then the photons are what determines the belief.

lol

Photons are not displaced: they are the datum whence all beliefs are measured as displacements from.
Photons are not (only) physical, they have an energetic constituency of '16' which appears as '1' unit of motion.

Then an absence of belief, thus knowledge (according to you), is determined by photons. The photons are necessary for belief to exist. Reducing everything photons necessitates photons as self referentially aware as the universe working itself out.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:00 pm No it isn't. Suffering cannot be quantified objectively except through personal self reflection, yet this quantification is not objective between individuals. One cannot feel another's personal pain except in reflecting upon their own.

Yes it is: not only is it, it is being measured as we speak. The axes I found is being taken up by an existing theory of everything and is being used to measure point-of-entry displacements: both specifically and generally. The axes corresponds to a real/imaginary axes whose shared constituency is '888' between the physical and metaphysical:
Then tell me where my pains are and how much rate. You can't.




Again, the only difference is the '16' which is the pre-discretionary constituency of any/every real '1' discrete unit of space/time.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:00 pm Your premises contradict. Suffering is a personal subjective experience and cannot be universalized by a chart without believing a set of premises.[

Suffering is not only a personal subjective experience: it is only so if the person suffering "believes" their suffering is due to someone/something else such to beget blame/enmity/desire to kill. This is prevalent in "believers" who "believe" it is their duty to kill "unbelievers" as an act of obedience to a god.

Yet scripture says "to turn the other cheek" and "he who lives by the sword dies by the sword".

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:00 pm Everyone suffers.

False.

True.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:00 pm 1. Belief is acceptance.
...
18. Belief is knowledge.

Belief can be "acceptance" of a false premise(s), thus the premise 'belief is acceptance' is true.
Knowledge is negation of belief.

And what is a false premise? Belief is an act of assumption, assumption imprinting...all knowledge is known through an act of imprinting.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:25 pm False, all time is a series of rotations. As a series of rotations they exist as circumferances (ie x number of rotations is x number of circumferances). As circumferances they unfurl to lengths. Time is a series of lengths (ie "length" of time).

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:25 pm To know/believe all approaching know/believe all necessitates an absence of knowing/believing all as "approaching" necessitates a potential "more". This potential "more" necessitates that not all is known or believed.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:25 pm False, an "approach" necessitates an absence of all.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:25 pm No. Any definition results in a simultaneous ambiguity.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:25 pm Photons are a fixed measurement point as an extension of the observer. A beginning measurement point can be reflected in electrons, consciousness, number etc.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:25 pm Absence of truth is seperation.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:25 pm Belief may occur with something true as with something false. The same occurs with knowledge.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:25 pm Gravity pulls phenomenon togetner.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:25 pm Then an absence of belief, thus knowledge (according to you), is determined by photons. The photons are necessary for belief to exist. Reducing everything photons necessitates photons as self referentially aware as the universe working itself out.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:25 pm Then tell me where my pains are and how much rate. You can't.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:25 pm Yet scripture says "to turn the other cheek" and "he who lives by the sword dies by the sword".

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:25 pm True.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:25 pm And what is a false premise? Belief is an act of assumption, assumption imprinting...all knowledge is known through an act of imprinting.

nothing wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:12 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:25 pm False, all time is a series of rotations. As a series of rotations they exist as circumferances (ie x number of rotations is x number of circumferances). As circumferances they unfurl to lengths. Time is a series of lengths (ie "length" of time).

Circumferences apply only to 2+ dimensional objects. Scalar motion is not multi-dimensional, thus concerns not the circumference of anything.
Further: circles are two-dimensional, whereas scalar magnitudes are one-, thus your "unfurling" neither does nor can apply.

A line is 1 dimensional. Are you saying 2 dimensional objects do not exist?

What we need is a one-dimensional "length" such to serve to capture/measure distance, a temporal duration.
This is why we take the diameter of the circle to be √5: it grounds into both space and time via:

Φ = (π+π√5)/2π as 1D yang-space
π² = 4/√Φ as 2D yin-time

A circumferance unfurled is 1 dimensional

and further thus concerns all Φ-based phenomena (such as ourselves) given (1 + √5)/2 = Φ, wherein '1' concerns unity, and /2 introduces the UNITY+∞-NOT dichotomy. Enter: photons and the operators={Α∞Ω} roots={BEG∞END} axes. Photons do not have a velocity independent of the progression, thus UNITY=TRUE ({BEG∞END}=FALSE) always and NOT=FALSE ({BEG∞END}=TRUE) is the "flag" for all displaced matter 'NOT' part of the progression carrying the photons (ie. light). This is atoms, particles etc. and the entire 'physical' cosmos. The /2 describes the birotation of the photon which may only be spinning in two apparent directions: =TRUE and =FALSE concerning unity which we perceive as clockwise and counter-clock-wise.

The only difference between a photon at unity and "everything else" is the {BEG∞END} flag. Null/false for photons, true otherwise.
Time is only a temporal measure of displacement, whereas space is a spatial measure of actual placement according to (dis)placement.

Photon is a relative point of measurement, any variable as fixed or unmoving can be applied through relativity.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:25 pm To know/believe all approaching know/believe all necessitates an absence of knowing/believing all as "approaching" necessitates a potential "more". This potential "more" necessitates that not all is known or believed.

This is the same as saying necessitates that displacement exists. "To know one knows not is a knowledge-in-and-of-itself."
This is thus the same as saying necessitates that a person acknowledgement their own displacement(s),
including acknowledging their own "roots" (which concerns the roots of the photon {BEG∞END}).

No, any potentiality is a lack of actuality.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:25 pm False, an "approach" necessitates an absence of all.

'NOT' (to believe).

A negation of gravity/displacement acting on a body is equivalent to their approaching unity.

Approaching knowledge necessitates potential knowledge thus an absence of knowledge.

Tree of Living: to KNOW
Tree of G/E: to BELIEVE
ALL∞NOT is concerned by the photon {Α∞Ω} concerned by any/all displaced bodies.

No, good and evil observes a dualism between the one good and many goods (as a deficiency is good hence evil) thus results in a state of defintion as a relation of parts. This state of definition is knowledge.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:25 pm No. Any definition results in a simultaneous ambiguity.

A proper definition serves towards disambiguation, not ambiguity.

Any clarity in one respect is ambiguity in another. Magnifying a star is an example, as one star is magnified so a decrease in the other observable stars occurs.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:25 pm Photons are a fixed measurement point as an extension of the observer. A beginning measurement point can be reflected in electrons, consciousness, number etc.

Consciousness and light are not independent phenomena. The beg/end axes of the photon is null/false, everything else =true.
This is how/why light is a datum: one unit of space over one unit of time (and/or vice versa) is the "measure". One anything/everything,
including discretion/choice, such as "to be... or not to be...".

Reducing all being to photons is materialism in one respect, in a another respect not all being can be reduced to photons (including consciousness) as the photon would be observing a photon and you end in a circle.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:25 pm Absence of truth is seperation.

Belief-based ignorance precedes absence of truth: to know not not to believe, thus absent the untruth of the belief endorsed.

Belief based ignorance does not proceed an absence of truth as in one respect it is an absence of truth. In another respect ignorance is an absence of knowledge not always relegated to belief. A blind man may simply be ignorant of color and have neither beliefs nor disbelief about it.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:25 pm Belief may occur with something true as with something false. The same occurs with knowledge.

This is an egregious betrayal of knowledge.
True knowledge can not be false, rather only false knowledge can be believed to be true.

Categorization results in false knowledge, Pluto as a planet then not as a planet is an immediate example.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:25 pm Gravity pulls phenomenon togetner.

Gravity doesn't "pull" anything at all - it is not even a force such to "pull".
Gravity is an inward acceleration - a motion, not a "pulling" force.

One phenomenon moving to another is a relative pulling.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:25 pm Then an absence of belief, thus knowledge (according to you), is determined by photons. The photons are necessary for belief to exist. Reducing everything photons necessitates photons as self referentially aware as the universe working itself out.

Knowledge (ie. negation of belief) is determined by the discretion (or not) of the being, not the photons.

The photon carries binary information by way of the birotation, hence {Α∞Ω}: is/not, in/out, to/from etc.
The photon contains (as a constituency/property of itself) the capacity to relate binaries, hence consciousness does as well.
All binaries concern the {Α∞Ω} axis of the photon. All displaced bodies concern the {beg/end} axis of the photon.

If photons contain the binaries then by default binaries, due to your axis, are roots for binaries.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:25 pm Then tell me where my pains are and how much rate. You can't.

It's not a rate, it's a root: beliefs are like fruits which come from some tree.
Every belief thus is like a fruit from a fruit tree, and all trees have roots,
thus all beliefs have roots. Trying/testing/falsifying all beliefs entails
observing the roots of all beliefs, including ones held of ones own being
such to find if the roots are good or not.

Thus pain cannot be proven as it can be falsified.



Thus pain/suffering is owing to a particular root. Acknowledging the root
and understanding/comprehending how/why it is culprit, is the same as
approaching all-knowing, including how to cease suffering of self/other.

The root of pain as belief can be falsified in light of pain (physical) not being subject to belief, second pain cannot be measured through objective testing thus as untreatable is falsifiable. You cannot prove pain therefore pain is falsifiable. Emotional pain can only be reduced to belief.

The photon has operators {Α∞Ω} and roots {BEG∞END} as they may concern any displaced body,
the latter having their own internal axes which both implicitly/explicitly concerns photon/light/progression.

No it doesn't, that measurement is applied through a made up chart.


*A = Discretionary Consciousness
±A = {Α∞Ω} Operators
√±A = {BEG∞END} Roots

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:25 pm Yet scripture says "to turn the other cheek" and "he who lives by the sword dies by the sword".

I don't believe in scripture. However I know living by the sword entails dying by the sword, as multiplicative reciprocity predicts the same.

Actually your "light of the world" comment necessitates a degree of belief in scripture as well as the metaphorical usage of the tree of good and evil.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:25 pm True.

Some have suffered, but suffer not longer.

[color=#FF0000]False, everyone suffers due to entropy. Death manifests suffering and everyone dies.]

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:25 pm And what is a false premise? Belief is an act of assumption, assumption imprinting...all knowledge is known through an act of imprinting.

Any premise that is not true, such as: a particular book is the perfect word of the creator of the universe (thus premising one exists).

strawman, the book is "inspired" by a Creator according to many stances. As such it is open to human expression without contradiction.

{Is+/-Not}

viz. binaries double as roots if/when given a definite(s) premises,
thus roots serve as "points" such to measure human suffering.



أَشْهَدُ أَنْ لَا إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا ٱللَّٰهُ وَأَشْهَدُ أَنَّ مُحَمَّدًا رَسُولُ ٱللَّٰهِ
"I bear witness that there is no deity but God, and I bear witness that Muhammad is the messenger of God."

Exodus 20:16 (KJV)
"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour."
-10 Commandments (in stone)

Is it possible to bear a true witness of a dead man?

{Yes+/-No}

Actually if the man is saved and reached salvation, according to the beliefs of that stance, the man is still alive. Second to bear a true witness of a dead man is to respect his memory as an act of witnessing, thus it is possible to bear true witness of a dead man.

"BELIEVER vs. UNBELIEVER"
1400 years = ~270 000 000 "unbelievers" killed by "believers".

Between the two, only one is capable of ever "believing" war is peace.

100 million in 100 years, under communist atheism, is a much higher rate.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/100-years- ... 1510011810

The believer rate is much lower at 192,857.142857 per hundred years.


Your premise is false, thus you hold incorrect beliefs, the accuser is accused.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:01 am A line is 1 dimensional. Are you saying 2 dimensional objects do not exist?

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:01 am A circumferance unfurled is 1 dimensional

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:01 am Photon is a relative point of measurement, any variable as fixed or unmoving can be applied through relativity.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:01 am No, any potentiality is a lack of actuality.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:01 am Approaching knowledge necessitates potential knowledge thus an absence of knowledge.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:01 am No, good and evil observes a dualism between the one good and many goods (as a deficiency is good hence evil) thus results in a state of defintion as a relation of parts. This state of definition is knowledge.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:01 am Any clarity in one respect is ambiguity in another. Magnifying a star is an example, as one star is magnified so a decrease in the other observable stars occurs.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:01 am Belief based ignorance does not proceed an absence of truth as in one respect it is an absence of truth. In another respect ignorance is an absence of knowledge not always relegated to belief. A blind man may simply be ignorant of color and have neither beliefs nor disbelief about it.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:01 am Categorization results in false knowledge, Pluto as a planet then not as a planet is an immediate example.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:01 am One phenomenon moving to another is a relative pulling.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:01 am If photons contain the binaries then by default binaries, due to your axis, are roots for binaries.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:01 am Thus pain cannot be proven as it can be falsified.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:01 am The root of pain as belief can be falsified in light of pain (physical) not being subject to belief, second pain cannot be measured through objective testing thus as untreatable is falsifiable. You cannot prove pain therefore pain is falsifiable. Emotional pain can only be reduced to belief.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:01 am No it doesn't, that measurement is applied through a made up chart.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:01 am Actually your "light of the world" comment necessitates a degree of belief in scripture as well as the metaphorical usage of the tree of good and evil.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:01 am False, everyone suffers due to entropy. Death manifests suffering and everyone dies.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:01 am strawman, the book is "inspired" by a Creator according to many stances. As such it is open to human expression without contradiction.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:01 am Actually if the man is saved and reached salvation, according to the beliefs of that stance, the man is still alive. Second to bear a true witness of a dead man is to respect his memory as an act of witnessing, thus it is possible to bear true witness of a dead man.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:01 am 100 million in 100 years, under communist atheism, is a much higher rate.
The believer rate is much lower at 192,857.142857 per hundred years.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:01 am Your premise is false, thus you hold incorrect beliefs, the accuser is accused.

nothing wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:20 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:01 am A line is 1 dimensional. Are you saying 2 dimensional objects do not exist?

"Lines" do not exist. Neither do "points". These are mathematical constructs, not real phenomena of nature.

They are real as extensions of consciousness as consciousness is real, so are the constructs through which it operates.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:01 am A circumferance unfurled is 1 dimensional

An angular velocity is not the same as a linear one:
they are different geometries entirely. Angular momentum
requires 2 dimensions and can not be arbitrarily reduced to 1.

I am not talking about angular velocity, I am talking about rotations.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:01 am Photon is a relative point of measurement, any variable as fixed or unmoving can be applied through relativity.

Photons are not relative, they have an absolute/discrete datum of '1' in/of v=s/t=1.
This is why Φ is a spatial constant whereas π² is a temporal constant.
16 = Φπ² is the equation of light/photon, hence "Equation of Delight".

They are relative as the fixed point of measurement.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:01 am No, any potentiality is a lack of actuality.

As in any/all beliefs not actually known, hence potentially true/false.

Potentiality is not actuality.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:01 am Approaching knowledge necessitates potential knowledge thus an absence of knowledge.

Belief-based ignorance implies an absence of knowledge.

Implication is possibility not actuality.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:01 am No, good and evil observes a dualism between the one good and many goods (as a deficiency is good hence evil) thus results in a state of defintion as a relation of parts. This state of definition is knowledge.

Believing in (ie. to know) good and evil creates the displacement(s) experienced as a relative dualism.
Duality only applies to a displaced body which concerns duality (ie. us vs. them) rather than unity.

A displaced and not displaced body necessitates a dualistic stance.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:01 am Any clarity in one respect is ambiguity in another. Magnifying a star is an example, as one star is magnified so a decrease in the other observable stars occurs.

The ambiguity would be local to the one perceiving, not empirical.

Actuality it ie entirely empirical. If I empirically look at the sky and see the stars, then focus on one star with a telescope, the increase in clarity of one star resulted in the percievably ambiguity of another.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:01 am Belief based ignorance does not proceed an absence of truth as in one respect it is an absence of truth. In another respect ignorance is an absence of knowledge not always relegated to belief. A blind man may simply be ignorant of color and have neither beliefs nor disbelief about it.

This doesn't even make sense: do you mean *precede?

Yes, precede.

In any case, all belief-based ignorance implies an absence of truth

Implication is not actuality, it is possibility. Belief based ignorance can result in one believing in the correct premise possibly as well,

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:01 am Categorization results in false knowledge, Pluto as a planet then not as a planet is an immediate example.

No discernment/discretion results in no knowledge.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:01 am One phenomenon moving to another is a relative pulling.

Relative description, not an explanation. Actual science must be able to explain, not merely describe.

Explanation is description.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:01 am If photons contain the binaries then by default binaries, due to your axis, are roots for binaries.

They are "messengers" of binaries, all of which concerns a definite {IS+/-NOT} which transcends even the photon.
All binaries implicitly/explicitly concerns the {IS+/-NOT} binary. If allowing '1' to be 'UNITY',
+1=Unity, -1=NOT, hence {+ALL UNITY / -NOT UNITY} is equivalent to {IS+/-NOT} as 'UNITY' cancels / is shared.

They are extensions of the binaries then.

Operators: {ALL+/-NOT} concerned by all {Α∞Ω}
Roots: {to KNOW-/+to BELIEVE} concerned by all {BEG∞END}

"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End"
is thus 'TRUE' from the level of the photon (ie. light) onward.

Scriptural reference necessitates a degree of belief in the metaphorical nature of scripture.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:01 am Thus pain cannot be proven as it can be falsified.

Negated, not "falsified": the root can be falsified as 'irrational', hence
irrational beliefs leading to irrational fears/actions (impetus) are negated.

Φ = 1.618... irrational
Φ² = (Φ + 1)... irrational + rational
Φ³ = (√5 + 2)... irrational + rational duality

Φ = concerns universal progression/expansion (corollary: conscious knowledge)
Φ² = in-between (inference)
Φ³ = concerns universal gravitation/collapse (corollary: of ignorance)

Negation is a falsification, one is a synonym of the otherl

Hence: Conscious Knowledge of Ignorance Inference Theorem (CKIIT)

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:01 am The root of pain as belief can be falsified in light of pain (physical) not being subject to belief, second pain cannot be measured through objective testing thus as untreatable is falsifiable. You cannot prove pain therefore pain is falsifiable. Emotional pain can only be reduced to belief.

Not all pain is belief-based ignorance, but all belief-based ignorance is pain
as endured/suffered over/as a function of time according to the gravity of.

False, as belief based ignorance "implies", according to you, an absence of knowledge it only states a possibility thus it is simultaneously possible for belief based ignorance to be correct.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:01 am No it doesn't, that measurement is applied through a made up chart.

I didn't "make up" (1+√5)/2 as this is what the universe relies on to function.

Actually the chart is made up...you created it and have no proof to back it up.

±1=Unity (and Not) viz. progression-/+gravitation
Binary: UNITY={Is/Not}
If: Unity=Is,
then: must-be-photon.
If: Unity=Not,
then: not-a-photon.
(ie. ALL particular displacements from unity) viz. physical cosmos.

viz.
{IS/NOT} can be expanded with {ALL}
{ALL that IS/ALL (that is) NOT} reduces into
{ALL+/-NOT} viz. the birotation of the photon
reflected in/as the {Α∞Ω} axis.
{BEG∞END}=False=Photon (NOT displaced from unity)
{BEG∞END}=True=All Else (ALL displaced from unity)

etc.

The universe employs a logic that is infallible.

And this logic included double negation.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:01 am Actually your "light of the world" comment necessitates a degree of belief in scripture as well as the metaphorical usage of the tree of good and evil.

I don't see it from the perspective of
(because it is in the Bible, it is true) but rather
(because it is true, it is in the Bible) hence
whatever tends to be true tends to stand
the test of time according to truth value alone,
rather than any belief-based authority.

Thus the bible can contain truth statements.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:01 am False, everyone suffers due to entropy. Death manifests suffering and everyone dies.

Other way around: suffering manifests death.

[color=#FF0000]False, they are simultaneously mediated through eachother and are connected./color]

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:01 am strawman, the book is "inspired" by a Creator according to many stances. As such it is open to human expression without contradiction.

It's not, is the problem. It would take a "believer" to believe it is, is the problem.
The solution is knowing what it actually is "inspired" by (ie. its real roots).

Inspiree by a higher power is the answer, a higher power which can neither be disproven or proven as evidence is a subset of this power.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:01 am Actually if the man is saved and reached salvation, according to the beliefs of that stance, the man is still alive. Second to bear a true witness of a dead man is to respect his memory as an act of witnessing, thus it is possible to bear true witness of a dead man.

Wow@all

"according to the beliefs..." there's the problem again.
"to respect his memory" the constituency of which is entirely imagined, thus belief-based.

Actually your stance is a set or beliefs as it is not proven.

Exodus 20:4 (KJV)
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth

heaven above = psychology (thoughts)
earth beneath = emotions (feelings)
water under = motor-instinct (rituals)

You may as well renounce your humanity if you're going to believe/argue
it is possible to bear a true witness of a dead man. It's actually called

'IDOL WORSHIP'

Under your own definition your charts are idol worship as they are graven images.


d enmity/hatred is a predominant form of it. That is why Muhammadans kill
over ridicule of their idol: they worship his image/likeness according to their own.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:01 am 100 million in 100 years, under communist atheism, is a much higher rate.
The believer rate is much lower at 192,857.142857 per hundred years.

Pointing fingers elsewhere is exactly what Adam did to get kicked out of Eden.
Everything reduces into the same pathology: point fingers at others and is
precisely what the Muhammadan ideology is rooted in: blame the Jews,
the Christians, the atheists, unbelievers, infidels, the West, the Zionists etc.

The accuser is accused you are pointing fingers at Islam when the numbers actually show higher rates of murder among non believers.

Atheists believe something they do not know to be true, thus are not
indifferent from "believers". You might as well add them to the count.

Athiesm is a stance of negation, it holds no beliefs.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:01 am Your premise is false, thus you hold incorrect beliefs, the accuser is accused.

lol what?

What premise, and what accusation? Are you salty over my finding
that you to have satisfied this condition in the past (and here) ?
It just follows naturally: those who can not face what is in themselves
blame/accuse/scapegoat onto others of the very same.

The accuser is accused, in accusing believers to manifest beleif based ignorance you follow the same accusation. Your statistics about belief based violence are false in face of a system absent of belief.