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I'd like to canvas opinions as to why Trump unilaterally dumped Obama's Iran nuclear deal of 2015.

With the entire world scratching its head, whilst urging the US to return to the deal, I wonder whether there was any specific reasoning behind dumping the deal.
Has it proven to be a good idea? How's is working out for the USA?
What is the underlying political philosophy behind the idea, if any?

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:05 am I'd like to canvas opinions as to why Trump unilaterally dumped Obama's Iran nuclear deal of 2015.

With the entire world scratching its head, whilst urging the US to return to the deal, I wonder whether there was any specific reasoning behind dumping the deal.
Has it proven to be a good idea? How's is working out for the USA?
What is the underlying political philosophy behind the idea, if any?

It was a bad deal: the root bein' Iran as the primary monitor of itself.

Remains to be seen how it'll play out. At the very least: everything is on the table now.

Pick one...

*Standard American interventionism

*Defanging a potential global threat

henry quirk wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:58 pm Remains to be seen how it'll play out. At the very least: everything is on the table now.

I've known several Iranians, and in fact, was out two nights ago having dinner with one of my closest Iranian (he prefers "Persian") friends. Those that I have met have been lovely people...urbane, cultured, smart, generous, hospitable, and civilized in a very refined sense of that word...So I can't help but have some faith in the possibility of normal Iranians (not the Islamic loonies burning flags and marching in the streets, the real, normal Iranians) finding their way to a better life.

What stands between them and the life they deserve, at present, is the regime that Obama administration was trusting. The fox was indeed in charge of the proverbial henhouse, there.

That deal had to end, for the good of common Iranians, as well as for the world.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:58 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:05 am I'd like to canvas opinions as to why Trump unilaterally dumped Obama's Iran nuclear deal of 2015.

With the entire world scratching its head, whilst urging the US to return to the deal, I wonder whether there was any specific reasoning behind dumping the deal.
Has it proven to be a good idea? How's is working out for the USA?
What is the underlying political philosophy behind the idea, if any?

It was a bad deal: the root bein' Iran as the primary monitor of itself.

Remains to be seen how it'll play out. At the very least: everything is on the table now.

Pick one...

*Standard American interventionism

*Defanging a potential global threat

''..a potention global threat'' rather than an actual global threat (the US).

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:46 pm

henry quirk wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:58 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:05 am I'd like to canvas opinions as to why Trump unilaterally dumped Obama's Iran nuclear deal of 2015.

With the entire world scratching its head, whilst urging the US to return to the deal, I wonder whether there was any specific reasoning behind dumping the deal.
Has it proven to be a good idea? How's is working out for the USA?
What is the underlying political philosophy behind the idea, if any?

It was a bad deal: the root bein' Iran as the primary monitor of itself.

Remains to be seen how it'll play out. At the very least: everything is on the table now.

Pick one...

*Standard American interventionism

*Defanging a potential global threat

''..a potention global threat'' rather than an actual global threat (the US).

You're right: we're a menace.

New Zealand ought to invade us.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:27 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:46 pm

henry quirk wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:58 pm

It was a bad deal: the root bein' Iran as the primary monitor of itself.

Remains to be seen how it'll play out. At the very least: everything is on the table now.

Pick one...

*Standard American interventionism

*Defanging a potential global threat

''..a potention global threat'' rather than an actual global threat (the US).

You're right: we're a menace.

New Zealand ought to invade us.

It doesn't tend to invade countries, but it did tell the US to shove its nuclear submarines up its arse

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:28 pm

henry quirk wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:27 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:46 pm

''..a potention global threat'' rather than an actual global threat (the US).

You're right: we're a menace.

New Zealand ought to invade us.

It doesn't tend to invade countries.

Never too late to start.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:32 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:28 pm

henry quirk wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:27 pm

You're right: we're a menace.

New Zealand ought to invade us.

It doesn't tend to invade countries.

Never too late to start.

Why?

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:36 pm

henry quirk wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:32 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:28 pm

It doesn't tend to invade countries.

Never too late to start.

Why?

Who else is gonna take us Americans to the woodshed?

New Zealand is the world's hope.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:05 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:36 pm

henry quirk wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:32 pm

Never too late to start.

Why?

Who else is gonna take us Americans to the woodshed?

New Zealand is the world's hope.

You'll take yourselves there soon enough. Doesn't pay to be too cocky--especially when no one likes you....

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:38 am

henry quirk wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:05 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:36 pm

Why?

Who else is gonna take us Americans to the woodshed?

New Zealand is the world's hope.

You'll take yourselves there soon enough. Doesn't pay to be too cocky--especially when no one likes you....

Probably. With luck, we'll take out a good chunk of everyone else in the process.

No one likes us? Well then: we'll damn well make sure we take out a good chunk of everyone else in the process.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:56 am

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:38 am

henry quirk wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:05 pm

Who else is gonna take us Americans to the woodshed?

New Zealand is the world's hope.

You'll take yourselves there soon enough. Doesn't pay to be too cocky--especially when no one likes you....

Probably. With luck, we'll take out a good chunk of everyone else in the process.

No one likes us? Well then: we'll damn well make sure we take out a good chunk of everyone else in the process.

You're already doing that which is WHY you are so hated.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:33 am

henry quirk wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:56 am

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:38 am

You'll take yourselves there soon enough. Doesn't pay to be too cocky--especially when no one likes you....

Probably. With luck, we'll take out a good chunk of everyone else in the process.

No one likes us? Well then: we'll damn well make sure we take out a good chunk of everyone else in the process.

You're already doing that which is WHY you are so hated.

But we're still around; all of you are still around.

We're not suicidin'/genocidin' fast enough.

We need to step it up

henry quirk wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:12 am

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:33 am

henry quirk wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:56 am

Probably. With luck, we'll take out a good chunk of everyone else in the process.

No one likes us? Well then: we'll damn well make sure we take out a good chunk of everyone else in the process.

You're already doing that which is WHY you are so hated.

But we're still around; all of you are still around.

We're not suicidin'/genocidin' fast enough.

We need to step it up

No need to be facetious

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:46 am

henry quirk wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:12 am

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:33 am

You're already doing that which is WHY you are so hated.

But we're still around; all of you are still around.

We're not suicidin'/genocidin' fast enough.

We need to step it up

No need to be facetious

I'm dead serious...