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This is the most important thing you will (probably won't) ever do.

Sit in a quiet room without moving or thinking for one hour. Simply sit quietly in a chair and don't think.

The vast majority of people will not be able to stop their thoughts for longer than just a few seconds.

Reasonably, logically, someone who cannot stop their thoughts has lost control of their mind. If one could steer their car, but be unable to stop it, that car would be not in control. If the body thrashed about uncontrollably like the mind, it would be seen as out of control.

Therefore, one who cannot stop their mind has lost control of their mind. Period, full stop.

Now let's investigate why this message doesn't get through.

The ego (what/who one thinks they are) believes it is true Self when it is not. However, the more one identifies with the charcter "your name here", the more it will defend any such attack on it's validity via fight or flight. This is why, even though the information provided is about transcending the illusion, and subsequently all suffering (something that one would assume everyone would want), more often than not, the information is either ignored (flight) or i am personally attacked (fight).

Part of the problem is that the folk with the letters "PhD" in the description of their ego are the people who have been trained to think the most. Academia have the most difficult time with the above exercise because they have gone "all in" on the thought process, and to have it shown to actually be the source of their suffering is just too difficult to accept. They have been programmed to accept that what they think is correct, when it is not. So the thoughts that point to the thought free state are ignored.

So basically this is the most important thing that has ever been revealed to YOU.

Do you wish to be free of the delusion and suffering or do you wish to continue playing the game?

It doesn't resonate, doesn't compute, doesn't get through, cuz most folks instinctually know you're wrong. Wrongness is why a whole whack of tree-hugger, crystal-rubber, new age, artsy-fartsy, dope-smokin' malarky never gets a real foothold. The average person is smart enough to sidestep manure.

Now, I'm not bein' harsh for the sake of it, Roy, but you gotta understand: folks are wise to this monkey-mind, chakra-massagin', stuff. Gurus come and go, are a dime-a-dozen, and sensible people will have no truck with them.

Here, in the forum, most folks aren't sensible. Lately, in fact, the place has been an absolute nut-fest. Cuz of that, you might think your message might find fertile ground. No such luck, buddy: nutjobs have their own malarky to peddle. Sure as shit: they ain't gonna throw out their babies to make way for your bathwater.

What you need: a forum where folks are lost and un-grounded. Hell, a college campus is the perfect place to promote your message. You'll be competein' with the commies but no problem, yeah?

Carry on.

roydop wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:58 pm Carry on.

as you like

roydop --

QUOTE:

My reading of his materials showed me that he was tuned in on some of the greatest truths in the world that have ever been enunciated by some of the highest beings. He was experiencing these directly, but he was caught in a feeling that this was happening only to him. In other words, he had taken an ego with him into this other state of Concsciousness and he was experiencing it as unique to himself.

And, therefore, he got into a messy predicament of saying, “I’ve been given this, and you haven’t,” you see. As we decided to share time and space, he noted that everything he said on this level I understood, and we could talk at this level together, although the psychiatrist sitting in the room was having a very difficult time dealing with this visitor who was obviously crazier than the patient, you know.

And my brother often said to me, “I don’t know,” he says, “I’m a lawyer, I’m a decent citizen, I’ve got a tie and a jacket, and I go to church, and I’m a good person, and I read the Bible. Me they’ve got in a mental hospital; you, you walk barefoot, you’ve got a beard, you’ve got a funny name, you really wear … you, you’re out, free. How do you explain that?”

And I say, “Well, I’ll show you how.” I said, “Do you think you’re Christ? The Christ in pure consciousness?” he said, “Yes.”

I say, “Well, I think I am too.”

And he looks at me and he says, “No, you don’t understand.”

I say, “That’s why they lock you up,” you see. Because the minute you tell somebody else they’re not Christ, they lock you up. The minute you say, “I am and you’re not,” then you gotta go. It’s very clear. That’s the way the game is played.

As far as I’m concerned, we’re all God. Here we all are. Now I don’t go around forcing you to say “You are God, aren’t you?” Because you only come to somebody else when you are caught in an ego drama, when you are caught having to “do” something.

I said to him, “If you didn’t have to do anything to anybody else, nobody would put you away.”

The funny play … the reason they put him away, which was just so cosmically humorous, was that my father, a Republican, conservative, came into my brother’s apartment and found him sitting the naked, surrounded by five or six elderly ladies who were worshiping him. And he was sitting there burning his money and his credit cards. In a Jewish middle-class family you can do everything, but you don’t burn the money. I’ll tell you … so that anybody could see he was obviously crazy.

- Ram Dass
The Only Dance There Is

END QUOTE

roydop wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:10 pm This is the most important thing you will (probably won't) ever do.

Sit in a quiet room without moving or thinking for one hour. Simply sit quietly in a chair and don't think.

The vast majority of people will not be able to stop their thoughts for longer than just a few seconds.

Yes, about this 'few seconds' is exactly what I say, and have told you.

roydop wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:10 pmReasonably, logically, someone who cannot stop their thoughts has lost control of their mind.

LOL

You would have to first REASONABLY and LOGICALLY explain WHAT THE 'mind' is FIRST.

Then 'you' would have to REASONABLY and LOGICALLY explain who or what the 'one' IS, who supposedly 'has a mind', (whatever that IS)

And then 'you' 'would have to REASONABLY and LOGICALLY explain HOW 'thoughts' are actually supposedly separated from "some one", ('their mind', and 'their thoughts' actually means there is one thing that has two separate things. So, there is three separate things here now).

So, you really have some explaining to do now.

After 'you' have successfully done this REASONABLY and LOGICALLY, then 'you' can explain just HOW 'you' supposedly can STOP 'thoughts' for hours.

After 'you' teach us HOW 'you' can do, then 'we' will have learned just HOW to do it also.

roydop wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:10 pmIf one could steer their car, but be unable to stop it, that car would be not in control.

But the car would, obviously, still be in some sort of control, just like 'you', human beings, have only some sort of control, over "yourselves".

roydop wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:10 pm If the body thrashed about uncontrollably like the mind, it would be seen as out of control.

But the Mind NEVER "thrashes about uncontrollably". So, what you have been saying so far is NOT reasonable and NOT logical at all, well to me anyway. But I am pretty sure 'you' BELIEVE that what 'you' are saying is reasonable and logical, am I correct?

Therefore, one who cannot stop their mind has lost control of their mind. Period, full stop.

LOL So the, so called, "reasoned logic" here is, and correct me if I am WRONG, but, IF a motor vehicle can be steered but not stopped, then a human being who can not stop "their", so called, "mind", has also lost control of "their", so called, "mind".

roydop wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:10 pmNow let's investigate why this message doesn't get through.

But the message IS getting through.

The message that is actually REASONABLE and LOGICAL, which is thee ONE that 'you' are 'trying to' get through HAS and DOES get through very simply and very easily. The reason WHY the message 'you' are sending is NOT getting through is because of the absolutely OBVIOUS unreasonable AND illogical way that 'you' are expressing things here. Either clarify AND explain what these things ARE exactly that I have HIGHLIGHTED and SHOWN to 'you' and to the 'readers', or just keep doing what 'you have been doing and keep saying the same thing over and over again, expecting to get different results.

roydop wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:10 pmThe ego (what/who one thinks they are) believes it is true Self when it is not.

Okay, AGREED.

Now, who/what is thee True Self, as opposed to who/what is the ego, which thinks it is a separate self?

By the way, these things, and EVERY thing else, can be explained in a Truly very simple and very easily, reasoned logical way.

roydop wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:10 pm However, the more one identifies with the charcter "your name here", the more it will defend any such attack on it's validity via fight or flight.

This can be EXAMPLED and PROVEN here by the words under the name "roydop". This 'one' will keep defending its 'self', the more I challenge and question it about and on what it is saying here. This can be OBSERVED prior to this post, and will after this post. Unless, of course, a complete and utter turn around and change occurs first.

roydop wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:10 pmThis is why, even though the information provided is about transcending the illusion, and subsequently all suffering (something that one would assume everyone would want), more often than not, the information is either ignored (flight) or i am personally attacked (fight).

Or, 'you' are just NOT explaining it in a way that could and would be accepted and followed by ANY one and EVERY one.

Is it possible that 'you' just might NEED to learn a bit more "yourself" BEFORE 'you' start telling "others" what to do and how to do it?

roydop wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:10 pmPart of the problem is that the folk with the letters "PhD" in the description of their ego are the people who have been trained to think the most. Academia have the most difficult time with the above exercise because they have gone "all in" on the thought process, and to have it shown to actually be the source of their suffering is just too difficult to accept.

But what 'you' are 'trying to' say and teach is NOT to difficult to accept at all.

Just some people, exactly like 'you' mentioned just here, NEED be TAUGHT and SHOWN in different ways than "others" do.

There is NO "problem" at all. There are just answers and solutions, which 'you' obviously BELIEVE 'you' have, but just as OBVIOUS are still LOOKING FOR.

roydop wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:10 pmThey have been programmed to accept that what they think is correct, when it is not.

Could this FACT actually be happens with 'you' also? Or, are 'you' completely immune from this?

Could 'you' "roydop" have been programmed to accept that what 'you' think is correct, when it is NOT?

Your completely OPEN and Honest response to this question would be MUCH APPRECIATED.

roydop wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:10 pmSo the thoughts that point to the thought free state are ignored.

Seems, to me, like a very confusing way to explain what is essentially just very easy and simple to explain and be FULLY understood.

roydop wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:10 pmSo basically this is the most important thing that has ever been revealed to YOU.

LOL 'you' are RIGHT in that you have NEVER revealed who/what the YOU is YET.

Are 'you' able to now reveal who and what 'you' ARE, EXACTLY?

roydop wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:10 pmDo you wish to be free of the delusion and suffering or do you wish to continue playing the game?

'you' could answer that "yourself". But even if 'you' did, 'you' have still NOT SHOWN the way to make the change.

By the way, this way is also VERY SIMPLE and VERY EASY to explain and be UNDERSTOOD, as well.

Walker wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 5:38 am roydop --

QUOTE:

My reading of his materials showed me that he was tuned in on some of the greatest truths in the world that have ever been enunciated by some of the highest beings. He was experiencing these directly, but he was caught in a feeling that this was happening only to him. In other words, he had taken an ego with him into this other state of Concsciousness and he was experiencing it as unique to himself.

This is the trouble ALL human beings have.

'We' ALL have EQUAL access to Consciousness, Itself, but 'we' ALL allow our own selves, the personal wrong thoughts, to distort the Consciousness's absolute KNOWING, and so we transfer an incorrect understanding and message.

'we' all misinterpret the individual thinking with Consciousness, and when this can NOT be distinguished apart, then the ego becomes stronger and more rigid and stubborn.

EVERY human being has EQUAL access to, and with, Consciousness, but NO human being has, so far, been able to express the Truth, the whole Truth, and nothing but the Truth, accurately and properly, YET.

Existence, Itself, is evolving to achieving what we ALL Truly want and desire, anyway. Consciousness WILL make this happen. But NATURALLY this just takes some time. Consciousness NEEDED an intelligent enough species to evolve into existing, first, then It NEEDED a big and powerful enough bank of storage power/computers, that is; human brains. to become Truly Self Aware. This outcome is just still in the process of BE-ing, or Be-coming.

Although Conscsiousness has reached a state of being Truly Self Aware, having this FULLY understood by human beings is just part of evolution, itself.

Once Consciousness is Truly Self Aware, and this True Self is consciously KNOWN and can be Answered, by human beings, themselves, then life WILL come-to-BE what is MEANT TO BE.

Walker wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 5:38 amAnd, therefore, he got into a messy predicament of saying, “I’ve been given this, and you haven’t,” you see. As we decided to share time and space, he noted that everything he said on this level I understood, and we could talk at this level together, although the psychiatrist sitting in the room was having a very difficult time dealing with this visitor who was obviously crazier than the patient, you know.

And my brother often said to me, “I don’t know,” he says, “I’m a lawyer, I’m a decent citizen, I’ve got a tie and a jacket, and I go to church, and I’m a good person, and I read the Bible. Me they’ve got in a mental hospital; you, you walk barefoot, you’ve got a beard, you’ve got a funny name, you really wear … you, you’re out, free. How do you explain that?”

And I say, “Well, I’ll show you how.” I said, “Do you think you’re Christ? The Christ in pure consciousness?” he said, “Yes.”

I say, “Well, I think I am too.”

And he looks at me and he says, “No, you don’t understand.”

I say, “That’s why they lock you up,” you see. Because the minute you tell somebody else they’re not Christ, they lock you up. The minute you say, “I am and you’re not,” then you gotta go. It’s very clear. That’s the way the game is played.

As far as I’m concerned, we’re all God. Here we all are. Now I don’t go around forcing you to say “You are God, aren’t you?” Because you only come to somebody else when you are caught in an ego drama, when you are caught having to “do” something.

I said to him, “If you didn’t have to do anything to anybody else, nobody would put you away.”

The funny play … the reason they put him away, which was just so cosmically humorous, was that my father, a Republican, conservative, came into my brother’s apartment and found him sitting the naked, surrounded by five or six elderly ladies who were worshiping him. And he was sitting there burning his money and his credit cards. In a Jewish middle-class family you can do everything, but you don’t burn the money. I’ll tell you … so that anybody could see he was obviously crazy.

- Ram Dass
The Only Dance There Is

END QUOTE

henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:29 pm It doesn't resonate, doesn't compute, doesn't get through, cuz most folks instinctually know you're wrong.

Man is not the doer. Man is being done.

Man won't accept this and is why he identifies with the image on the screen as the only reality, therefore missing the screen completely which is the only real identity. When thinking about the screen, he does not like what he sees preferring his own image, which is impossible without the screen which he refuses to look at.

Is that you Henry?

What if most folks were wrong Henry?

.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 6:07 pm

roydop wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:58 pm Carry on.

as you like

Are you aware Henry that you have never seen your face?

This is a question for Age. I am finding it difficult to read your text. When you capitalise a word, how am I supposed to read that, do I emphasise the word? When I do this, and read your text in this way, I start to feel like an agitated crazy person. Is that the message you are trying to convey? Being agitated and crazy? Just wondering. Thanks.

Walker wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 5:38 am roydop --

QUOTE:

My reading of his materials showed me that he was tuned in on some of the greatest truths in the world that have ever been enunciated by some of the highest beings. He was experiencing these directly, but he was caught in a feeling that this was happening only to him. In other words, he had taken an ego with him into this other state of Concsciousness and he was experiencing it as unique to himself.

And, therefore, he got into a messy predicament of saying, “I’ve been given this, and you haven’t,” you see. As we decided to share time and space, he noted that everything he said on this level I understood, and we could talk at this level together, although the psychiatrist sitting in the room was having a very difficult time dealing with this visitor who was obviously crazier than the patient, you know.

And my brother often said to me, “I don’t know,” he says, “I’m a lawyer, I’m a decent citizen, I’ve got a tie and a jacket, and I go to church, and I’m a good person, and I read the Bible. Me they’ve got in a mental hospital; you, you walk barefoot, you’ve got a beard, you’ve got a funny name, you really wear … you, you’re out, free. How do you explain that?”

And I say, “Well, I’ll show you how.” I said, “Do you think you’re Christ? The Christ in pure consciousness?” he said, “Yes.”

I say, “Well, I think I am too.”

And he looks at me and he says, “No, you don’t understand.”

I say, “That’s why they lock you up,” you see. Because the minute you tell somebody else they’re not Christ, they lock you up. The minute you say, “I am and you’re not,” then you gotta go. It’s very clear. That’s the way the game is played.

As far as I’m concerned, we’re all God. Here we all are. Now I don’t go around forcing you to say “You are God, aren’t you?” Because you only come to somebody else when you are caught in an ego drama, when you are caught having to “do” something.

I said to him, “If you didn’t have to do anything to anybody else, nobody would put you away.”

The funny play … the reason they put him away, which was just so cosmically humorous, was that my father, a Republican, conservative, came into my brother’s apartment and found him sitting the naked, surrounded by five or six elderly ladies who were worshiping him. And he was sitting there burning his money and his credit cards. In a Jewish middle-class family you can do everything, but you don’t burn the money. I’ll tell you … so that anybody could see he was obviously crazy.

- Ram Dass
The Only Dance There Is

END QUOTE

Everyone is God, that has temporarily forgotten true Self while playing this game, just as someone deeply involved in a video game.

i have not heard anyone say the things roy dopson is relating, and i've read some pretty deep stuff.

People think i'm nuts but i wonder how many of those people understand the realm that quantum mechanics is describing. everything i suggest is possible within known laws.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:39 am

henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:29 pm It doesn't resonate, doesn't compute, doesn't get through, cuz most folks instinctually know you're wrong.

Man is not the doer. Man is being done.

"man" is the name given to the male appearing organs ones of the human animal species.

What do 'you' mean when 'you' say, "man is being done"?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:39 amMan won't accept this and is why he identifies with the image on the screen as the only reality, therefore missing the screen completely which is the only real identity.

So, the ONLY REAL IDENTITY of "man" or "human" is 'SCREEN'. If this is what 'you' are saying, then the answer to the question "Who am 'I'?" is SCREEN, correct?

If yes, then okay.

If no, then what IS the answer to that question?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:39 am When thinking about the screen, he does not like what he sees preferring his own image, which is impossible without the screen which he refuses to look at.

Why do 'you' propose ONLY the male of the human species does this alleged thing?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:39 amIs that you Henry?

What if most folks were wrong Henry?

.

Dimebag wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:27 pm This is a question for Age. I am finding it difficult to read your text. When you capitalise a word, how am I supposed to read that, do I emphasise the word?

Things would make more sense and be much clearer, from another perspective, if the capitalized word/s were heard more loudly, thought about more, and empathized more. For example when the 'all' word is used is usually just generally means more in a group and not necessarily all of that group, so when I use the ALL word (capitalized) then I MEAN ALL or absolutely EVERY one of the group. Capitalized 'EVERY' MEANS the SAME as ALL. 'MEANS' capitalized MEANS absolutely or literally, and not just halfheartedly meant. 'SAME' capitalized mean EXACTLY the same. 'EXACTLY capitalized means without one solitary thing different.

Dimebag wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:27 pmWhen I do this, and read your text in this way, I start to feel like an agitated crazy person. Is that the message you are trying to convey? Being agitated and crazy? Just wondering. Thanks.

I do have a very bad habitat of NOT explaining things fully so as to be self-defeating. So, maybe I am sub or unconsciously writing in that way to make people agitated and/or crazy so they stop reading what I write, in order to fulfill some self-defeating prophecy somehow.

The "struggle" here is LEARNING how to explain who what thee True Self IS, with little selves who actually BELIEVE that they already KNOW who they ARE.

When I use capitalized words maybe that is to empathize the ABSOLUTENESS of that word. I am still in a learning process of working out what writing style to use so that I want to say and expressed is done a Truly clear and succinct way.

I apologize for causing 'you' to feel like an agitated crazy person. But, if 'you' have any advice at all, this would be much appreciated. For example, when I use the 'all human beings' words how could I use it in a way that specifically shows and/or highlights that I literally mean absolutely ALL or absolutely EVERY human being. Not just the majority, not just the ones living at the time when this is written nor being read, but absolutely EVERY single human being that has, is, and will exist for all times?

"Man is not the doer."

Yes, he is. Man is the thinker, the doer, the signifier, the assessor, the arbiter, and the Friggin' King of the Hill (sometimes the Hill won't accept its inferior status, but that's okay).

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:43 am

henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 6:07 pm

roydop wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:58 pm Carry on.

as you like

Are you aware Henry that you have never seen your face?

I see my ugly mug in the mirror every morning. Direct apprehension? Nope, but close enough.