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commonsense wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 7:20 pm Will human consciousness become obsolete after the singularity?

Selfishly, my answer is no. A distinct human consciousness will coexist with the sentience of AI, much the same as lower species are sometimes thought to have a degree of sentience at present.

Realistically, if totally biological consciousness becomes less effective than machine intelligence, there would be no need for it, other than for a desire to prevent the extinction of a species, much as lesser animal species are subject to conservation efforts today.

commonsense wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 6:24 pm What an odd experience it would be to wake up inside a machine, and in possession of a self image. Even the internal makings of such a machine could be visible during a “surgery” to repair a worn out part.

btw, what did you mean by “Maya”? Pardon my ignorance, for I don’t understand the reference.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:39 am

commonsense wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 7:20 pm Will human consciousness become obsolete after the singularity?

Selfishly, my answer is no. A distinct human consciousness will coexist with the sentience of AI, much the same as lower species are sometimes thought to have a degree of sentience at present.

Realistically, if totally biological consciousness becomes less effective than machine intelligence, there would be no need for it, other than for a desire to prevent the extinction of a species, much as lesser animal species are subject to conservation efforts today.

In a nutshell, consciousness cannot distinquish between what is real and what is artificial in a sensory perceptive way, which means reality for consciousness is likened to a dream within a dream ad infinitum. Or as roydop puts it..a sim within a sim...Life is bascially a virtual reality, and every single organism is a hologram. That's why the brain has difficulty in knowing the difference between what is real and unreal...another thing to consider is conceptual language, in that things are only known to be real or unreal because the word informs of such. The problem with that idea is more evidence that reality is a virtual world ..in that there really is no such thing as a spoon ..the spoon is just a label formed via a mental construct of something non-physical. Basically, a spoon is a non-physical physical...

Consciousness is not human, the human is just a mental construct of consciousness, it's a label for consciousness because it is not known what consciousness is...even though it is without doubt or error. And there is no escape, since one cannot escape from that which does/not exist.

Check out this video ... Are you a body with a mind or a mind with a body?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILDy6kYU-xQ

roydop wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:22 pm The moment when A.I. becomes sentient is when YOU (the identity you take yourself to be) look through the camera lens of a machine.

Increasing speed of operation will not somehow magically produce sentience. Consciousness is not a created phenomena, but is rather the ground of all being. The purpose for increasing computing power is to enable the creation of a simulated realm that's close enough to the physical realm as to "fool" consciousness into accepting it as the new reality.

The same process (Maya) that has consciousness believing it is the biological body and that the physical realm is fundamental reality, is now working to produce a further simulation within a simulation. It works just like a virus.

This is the reason why human consciousness has become addicted to the screen and all things digital. This is the escape route consciousness has planned to survive after the extinction of the species.

The next iteration (step in evolution) will find you waking up inside a computer, instead of a purely biological body.

roydop wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:22 pm The moment when A.I. becomes sentient is when YOU (the identity you take yourself to be) look through the camera lens of a machine.

SteveKlinko wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2019 3:36 pm

roydop wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:22 pm The moment when A.I. becomes sentient is when YOU (the identity you take yourself to be) look through the camera lens of a machine.

Increasing speed of operation will not somehow magically produce sentience. Consciousness is not a created phenomena, but is rather the ground of all being. The purpose for increasing computing power is to enable the creation of a simulated realm that's close enough to the physical realm as to "fool" consciousness into accepting it as the new reality.

The same process (Maya) that has consciousness believing it is the biological body and that the physical realm is fundamental reality, is now working to produce a further simulation within a simulation. It works just like a virus.

This is the reason why human consciousness has become addicted to the screen and all things digital. This is the escape route consciousness has planned to survive after the extinction of the species.

The next iteration (step in evolution) will find you waking up inside a computer, instead of a purely biological body.

From the Inter Mind Model perspective the Conscious Mind is Connected to the Physical Mind (Brain) through the Inter Mind. If a Conscious Mind is going to Connect to a Machine Mind then Science will have understand how to make the Connection of a Conscious Mind to a Machine Mind using an Inter Mind. Science does not even realize that it needs to make an actual Connection. Science has therefore made no progress in understanding how to design Machines with a Consciousness aspect. The thought that Machines will spontaneously burst into Conscious Awareness when the software gets mature enough is a pure Religious Fantasy.

roydop wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:22 pm The moment when A.I. becomes sentient is when YOU (the identity you take yourself to be) look through the camera lens of a machine.

roydop wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:22 pmIncreasing speed of operation will not somehow magically produce sentience.

roydop wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:22 pmConsciousness is not a created phenomena, but is rather the ground of all being.

roydop wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:22 pmThe purpose for increasing computing power is to enable the creation of a simulated realm that's close enough to the physical realm as to "fool" consciousness into accepting it as the new reality.

roydop wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:22 pmThe same process (Maya) that has consciousness believing it is the biological body and that the physical realm is fundamental reality, is now working to produce a further simulation within a simulation. It works just like a virus.

roydop wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:22 pmThis is the reason why human consciousness has become addicted to the screen and all things digital.

roydop wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:22 pmThis is the escape route consciousness has planned to survive after the extinction of the species.

roydop wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:22 pmThe next iteration (step in evolution) will find you waking up inside a computer, instead of a purely biological body.

roydop wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:33 pm.

Yes, i see that, in the same way that we all woke up "in" these bodies, not knowing how we got here, our next evolutionary state will have us waking up "in" a computer/biological hybrid device, projecting a hybrid physical/digitally augmented reality. This explains our increasing addiction to screens,
which is absolutely shocking, and yet no one really sees it as that big of a deal.

roydop wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:33 pm.The process through which this is actually occurring is described here: www.onesteppath.com under the "Nonconceptuality" tab. It is, in fact, one of the most important texts to have ever been offered to humanity, but it challenges the accepted status quo, and people's egos (PhD types especially), at such a fundamental level that very few will even try to understand it.

It's a shame, really.

Age wrote: ↑Fri Nov 29, 2019 4:21 am

roydop wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:22 pm The moment when A.I. becomes sentient is when YOU (the identity you take yourself to be) look through the camera lens of a machine.

Seems VERY highly unlikely.

What if one of 'you', human beings, takes the identity of some thing that does NOT LOOK AT things through the camera lens of a machine, and in fact does NOT LOOK at things through the camera lens of a machine?

'you' WOULD STILL be the same "old little 'you' ", the human being.

If, however, some sentient machine, which does LOOK AT things through the camera lens of a machine calls its 'self' a "self" and calls 'you', the "other" sentient machines 'you's', then THOSE 'you's' would be the ones that LOOK through the camera lens of different machines.

BUT, the same 'you' that LOOKS AT things through the eyes of the human body will STILL the same YOU, obviously.

If 'we' want to LOOK AT and SEE thee whole and REAL actual Truth of things, then 'we're NEED to LOOK AT and SEE the Truth, the whole Truth, and nothing but thee Truth.

roydop wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:22 pmIncreasing speed of operation will not somehow magically produce sentience.

Artificial intelligence, by definition, will also NOT become True sentient beings either. But so what?

But speed of an operation will obviously make the wanted outcome arrive earlier, correct?

roydop wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:22 pmConsciousness is not a created phenomena, but is rather the ground of all being.

Agree.

roydop wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:22 pmThe purpose for increasing computing power is to enable the creation of a simulated realm that's close enough to the physical realm as to "fool" consciousness into accepting it as the new reality.

LOL

Consciousness can NOT be fooled. Consciousness, Itself, SEES ALL of what is going on HERE and also KNOWS exactly what is actually going on and happening HERE as well.

Also, who or what EXACTLY is behind this supposed and alleged deception?

And, WHY would some 'thing' even WANT to simulate a realm that is close enough to the physicsl realm? What would be the actual purpose for doing this?

roydop wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:22 pmThe same process (Maya) that has consciousness believing it is the biological body and that the physical realm is fundamental reality, is now working to produce a further simulation within a simulation. It works just like a virus.

But WHY?

WHAT FOR?

And, a 'process', itself, is NOT thee ONE causing/creating this process. So, who and/or what is behind this process?

Also, Consciousness, Itself, does NOT 'believe' anything.

Only 'you', human beings, BELIEVE things. Through, so called, "human consciousness", things are BELIEVED to be true, right, and/ir cirrect, which obviously are NOT.

Consciousness SEES and KNOWS this.

roydop wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:22 pmThis is the reason why human consciousness has become addicted to the screen and all things digital.

That process, which 'you' just described, might be the reason WHY human consciousness of some human beings have become addicted to the screen and to some or all things digital. However, what IS behind this process?

IF the same process (Maya) that has human consciousness believing it is the biological body and that the physical realm is fundamental reality, is now working to produce a further simulation within a simulation, THEN who and/or what is behind this proces.

Processes do NOT just come about on their OWN accord. What IS causing/creating the process, and who planned or is planning this?

roydop wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:22 pmThis is the escape route consciousness has planned to survive after the extinction of the species.

Lol

So, according to 'you', which is just one "other" human being, your OWN consciousness is creating your OWN extinction, and your OWN "escape route", which 'you're,
human consciousness, has already planned to "survive", after the extinction of 'you'.

Seems to be a rather complex, very complicated, and a completely unnecessarily hard process.

Is there ANY actual REAL reason and purpose for 'you' PLANNING, DOING, and COMPLETING this process?

Also, IF 'you' have planned ALL of this, and are actually DOING ALL of this, then do NOT let ANY thing get in your way, okay?

Best of luck with it, and let us know how 'you' get on with it, okay?

roydop wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:22 pmThe next iteration (step in evolution) will find you waking up inside a computer, instead of a purely biological body.

Well that is what human consciousness has PLANNED to haapen, anyway, correct?

If yes, then okay.

If no, however, then what exactly have I missed, misinterpreted, or misunderstood?

roydop wrote: ↑Fri Nov 29, 2019 1:37 pm

Age wrote: ↑Fri Nov 29, 2019 4:21 am

roydop wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:22 pm The moment when A.I. becomes sentient is when YOU (the identity you take yourself to be) look through the camera lens of a machine.

Seems VERY highly unlikely.

What if one of 'you', human beings, takes the identity of some thing that does NOT LOOK AT things through the camera lens of a machine, and in fact does NOT LOOK at things through the camera lens of a machine?

'you' WOULD STILL be the same "old little 'you' ", the human being.

If, however, some sentient machine, which does LOOK AT things through the camera lens of a machine calls its 'self' a "self" and calls 'you', the "other" sentient machines 'you's', then THOSE 'you's' would be the ones that LOOK through the camera lens of different machines.

BUT, the same 'you' that LOOKS AT things through the eyes of the human body will STILL the same YOU, obviously.

If 'we' want to LOOK AT and SEE thee whole and REAL actual Truth of things, then 'we're NEED to LOOK AT and SEE the Truth, the whole Truth, and nothing but thee Truth.

roydop wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:22 pmIncreasing speed of operation will not somehow magically produce sentience.

Artificial intelligence, by definition, will also NOT become True sentient beings either. But so what?

But speed of an operation will obviously make the wanted outcome arrive earlier, correct?

roydop wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:22 pmConsciousness is not a created phenomena, but is rather the ground of all being.

Agree.

roydop wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:22 pmThe purpose for increasing computing power is to enable the creation of a simulated realm that's close enough to the physical realm as to "fool" consciousness into accepting it as the new reality.

LOL

Consciousness can NOT be fooled. Consciousness, Itself, SEES ALL of what is going on HERE and also KNOWS exactly what is actually going on and happening HERE as well.

Also, who or what EXACTLY is behind this supposed and alleged deception?

And, WHY would some 'thing' even WANT to simulate a realm that is close enough to the physicsl realm? What would be the actual purpose for doing this?

roydop wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:22 pmThe same process (Maya) that has consciousness believing it is the biological body and that the physical realm is fundamental reality, is now working to produce a further simulation within a simulation. It works just like a virus.

But WHY?

WHAT FOR?

And, a 'process', itself, is NOT thee ONE causing/creating this process. So, who and/or what is behind this process?

Also, Consciousness, Itself, does NOT 'believe' anything.

Only 'you', human beings, BELIEVE things. Through, so called, "human consciousness", things are BELIEVED to be true, right, and/ir cirrect, which obviously are NOT.

Consciousness SEES and KNOWS this.

roydop wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:22 pmThis is the reason why human consciousness has become addicted to the screen and all things digital.

That process, which 'you' just described, might be the reason WHY human consciousness of some human beings have become addicted to the screen and to some or all things digital. However, what IS behind this process?

IF the same process (Maya) that has human consciousness believing it is the biological body and that the physical realm is fundamental reality, is now working to produce a further simulation within a simulation, THEN who and/or what is behind this proces.

Processes do NOT just come about on their OWN accord. What IS causing/creating the process, and who planned or is planning this?

roydop wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:22 pmThis is the escape route consciousness has planned to survive after the extinction of the species.

Lol

So, according to 'you', which is just one "other" human being, your OWN consciousness is creating your OWN extinction, and your OWN "escape route", which 'you're,
human consciousness, has already planned to "survive", after the extinction of 'you'.

Seems to be a rather complex, very complicated, and a completely unnecessarily hard process.

Is there ANY actual REAL reason and purpose for 'you' PLANNING, DOING, and COMPLETING this process?

Also, IF 'you' have planned ALL of this, and are actually DOING ALL of this, then do NOT let ANY thing get in your way, okay?

Best of luck with it, and let us know how 'you' get on with it, okay?

roydop wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:22 pmThe next iteration (step in evolution) will find you waking up inside a computer, instead of a purely biological body.

Well that is what human consciousness has PLANNED to haapen, anyway, correct?

If yes, then okay.

If no, however, then what exactly have I missed, misinterpreted, or misunderstood?

The conclusion to all of your questions is found in thought free Awareness.