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Time as Isomorphism of Infinities
Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 6:22 pm
by Eodnhoj7
Time is the fragmentation of one infinite nature into many. Take for example a simple squirrel running across the street. The event, may last only 5 seconds.
It is a localization of one set of movements out of many (the squirrel getting up in the morning, gathering acorns after the run, the squirrel being born, the squirrel dying, the matter forming in the womb as the squirrel, the squirrel turning into dust, the dust being recycled, etc.).
The squirrel itself is composed of infinite movements (cells dividing, molecules moving, the wind blowing the acorn off the tree which feeds the squirrel, etc.). Even the second in which the movements occur is composed of further parts of the second.
Time is strictly just the relation of one part (the squirrel at point A) to another part (the squirrel at point B) with these "parts" fundamentally just being points in space (which we can see in the basic nature of how we percieve time through the clock...an inversion of one point into another).
This inversion of one point (the squirrel at point A or the clock with a hand on one specific second) to another point (the squirrel at point B or the clock hand on second number two) is "isomorphism" of one "point" to "many" points. This one to many sets the grounding for alternation.
This isomorphism, of one point to many points or 1 to 2, effectively exists as composed of infinite points. The squirrel running from point A of the side walk curb to point B of the tree must progress to point A.1 (the road), then point A.2 (another section of the road), etc.
Points A and B (the squirrel moving from the sidewalk to the tree, or the clock hand moving from one second to another) effectively are composed of infinite movements, and from a relatively larger perspective are points of movement in and of themselves (the 5 seconds of the squirrel running across the street are a simple point in time compared to its multiple year lifespan, the same applies for 1 second on the clock compared to 1,294,346,292,295 seconds.
Each localization of reality, which is grounded in time, effectively equates to and is composed of "point space" where each "moment" as a localization is the observation of a set of isomorphisms (or one point inverting to another).
So alternation, through isomorphism, is a constant, but also each moment being one point in time (and infinite) as an approximation of the 1 point of "everything".
Re: Time as Isomorphism of Infinities
Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:58 pm
by Impenitent
oh sure, a simple squirrel running across the street...
it is time for the intelligent squirrels to throw acorns at the clock...
-Imp
Re: Time as Isomorphism of Infinities
Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 6:19 pm
by Eodnhoj7
Impenitent wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:58 pm
oh sure, a
simple squirrel running across the street...
it is time for the intelligent squirrels to throw acorns at the clock...
-Imp
Any movement from point A to point B is a time zone.
Re: Time as Isomorphism of Infinities
Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:22 pm
by Skepdick
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 6:19 pm
Any movement from point A to point B is a time zone.
Weeeee! State transitions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_diagram
https://www.probabilitycourse.com/chapt ... iagram.php
Re: Time as Isomorphism of Infinities
Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2019 4:49 pm
by Eodnhoj7
Elaborate your point, I am not really seeing much in disagreement.
Re: Time as Isomorphism of Infinities
Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2019 6:40 pm
by Skepdick
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 4:49 pm
Elaborate your point, I am not really seeing much in disagreement.
I am not agreeing or disagreeing. Just pointing out that there is already at least two conceptual frameworks (languages) for talking about the phenomenon you are observing.
But if you prefer going about it from first principles... sure thing.
Re: Time as Isomorphism of Infinities
Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2019 1:54 pm
by odysseus
Eodnhoj7
Time is the fragmentation of one infinite nature into many. Take for example a simple squirrel running across the street. The event, may last only 5 seconds.
It is a localization of one set of movements out of many (the squirrel getting up in the morning, gathering acorns after the run, the squirrel being born, the squirrel dying, the matter forming in the womb as the squirrel, the squirrel turning into dust, the dust being recycled, etc.).
The squirrel itself is composed of infinite movements (cells dividing, molecules moving, the wind blowing the acorn off the tree which feeds the squirrel, etc.). Even the second in which the movements occur is composed of further parts of the second.
Time is strictly just the relation of one part (the squirrel at point A) to another part (the squirrel at point B) with these "parts" fundamentally just being points in space (which we can see in the basic nature of how we percieve time through the clock...an inversion of one point into another).
This inversion of one point (the squirrel at point A or the clock with a hand on one specific second) to another point (the squirrel at point B or the clock hand on second number two) is "isomorphism" of one "point" to "many" points. This one to many sets the grounding for alternation.
This isomorphism, of one point to many points or 1 to 2, effectively exists as composed of infinite points. The squirrel running from point A of the side walk curb to point B of the tree must progress to point A.1 (the road), then point A.2 (another section of the road), etc.
Points A and B (the squirrel moving from the sidewalk to the tree, or the clock hand moving from one second to another) effectively are composed of infinite movements, and from a relatively larger perspective are points of movement in and of themselves (the 5 seconds of the squirrel running across the street are a simple point in time compared to its multiple year lifespan, the same applies for 1 second on the clock compared to 1,294,346,292,295 seconds.
Each localization of reality, which is grounded in time, effectively equates to and is composed of "point space" where each "moment" as a localization is the observation of a set of isomorphisms (or one point inverting to another).
So alternation, through isomorphism, is a constant, but also each moment being one point in time (and infinite) as an approximation of the 1 point of "everything".
An astronomer is interested in the stars, but before she begins observing, it is assumed that the telescope is properly adjusted, clear of debris; that the use of a telescope at all is well grounded in a theory of magnification and the accuracy it delivers; and so on.
So before we even talk about squirrel time-events, we need to verify that which receives the event: the act of human perception. Is not our perception of squirrels itself a time event? How can one witness a squirrel if the wittnessing itself needs to be "witnessed" in order to verify that it is accurate. There is an infinite regress here: verification needs to be verified, and this can only be done through some other medium or process, and this in turn would require verification, etc. The best you can do is settle for an analysis that itself cannot be validated, making the world and its time, its space, its concepts, its "givens" hopelessly entangled in the self analyses about the foundations of knowing.
But it's not as if there is no pay off for this. Heidegger does it all the way through, and he embraces circularity in thinking: he has to. But this doesn't mean we can't say more basic things about Being and Time. It simply means that these are not metaphysically definitive, not absolutes.
Re: Time as Isomorphism of Infinities
Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:13 am
by Eodnhoj7
odysseus wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2019 1:54 pm
Eodnhoj7
Time is the fragmentation of one infinite nature into many. Take for example a simple squirrel running across the street. The event, may last only 5 seconds.
It is a localization of one set of movements out of many (the squirrel getting up in the morning, gathering acorns after the run, the squirrel being born, the squirrel dying, the matter forming in the womb as the squirrel, the squirrel turning into dust, the dust being recycled, etc.).
The squirrel itself is composed of infinite movements (cells dividing, molecules moving, the wind blowing the acorn off the tree which feeds the squirrel, etc.). Even the second in which the movements occur is composed of further parts of the second.
Time is strictly just the relation of one part (the squirrel at point A) to another part (the squirrel at point B) with these "parts" fundamentally just being points in space (which we can see in the basic nature of how we percieve time through the clock...an inversion of one point into another).
This inversion of one point (the squirrel at point A or the clock with a hand on one specific second) to another point (the squirrel at point B or the clock hand on second number two) is "isomorphism" of one "point" to "many" points. This one to many sets the grounding for alternation.
This isomorphism, of one point to many points or 1 to 2, effectively exists as composed of infinite points. The squirrel running from point A of the side walk curb to point B of the tree must progress to point A.1 (the road), then point A.2 (another section of the road), etc.
Points A and B (the squirrel moving from the sidewalk to the tree, or the clock hand moving from one second to another) effectively are composed of infinite movements, and from a relatively larger perspective are points of movement in and of themselves (the 5 seconds of the squirrel running across the street are a simple point in time compared to its multiple year lifespan, the same applies for 1 second on the clock compared to 1,294,346,292,295 seconds.
Each localization of reality, which is grounded in time, effectively equates to and is composed of "point space" where each "moment" as a localization is the observation of a set of isomorphisms (or one point inverting to another).
So alternation, through isomorphism, is a constant, but also each moment being one point in time (and infinite) as an approximation of the 1 point of "everything".
An astronomer is interested in the stars, but before she begins observing, it is assumed that the telescope is properly adjusted, clear of debris; that the use of a telescope at all is well grounded in a theory of magnification and the accuracy it delivers; and so on.
So before we even talk about squirrel time-events, we need to verify that which receives the event: the act of human perception. Is not our perception of squirrels itself a time event? How can one witness a squirrel if the wittnessing itself needs to be "witnessed" in order to verify that it is accurate. There is an infinite regress here: verification needs to be verified, and this can only be done through some other medium or process, and this in turn would require verification, etc. The best you can do is settle for an analysis that itself cannot be validated, making the world and its time, its space, its concepts, its "givens" hopelessly entangled in the self analyses about the foundations of knowing.
But it's not as if there is no pay off for this. Heidegger does it all the way through, and he embraces circularity in thinking: he has to. But this doesn't mean we can't say more basic things about Being and Time. It simply means that these are not metaphysically definitive, not absolutes.
Actually they are absolutes that allow for relative truth.
1. All phenomenon necessitates it s own point of origin.
2. What is constant is a point.
3. What is changing is the perceived number of points of reality.
4. What is not changing is one point progressing to another point in reality.
5. Without the observer present, we are left with void, but this is a contradiction considering void is the beginning of observation. All is assumed on empty mind (when we assume we don't think about it) and the most universal axiom is a simple point. Empty mind, as point space, and simple dot itself necessitates the first reciporcation between points.
6. This reciprocation between one point and another necessitates the founding of defintion. This is considering a looping with b always requires a progressing to B and B progressing to A. This basic linear progression observes time as always present in the act of progression from one point to another as the division of points.
7. The memory, as absense of time, where a phenomenon exists as one moment necessitates that all is fundamentally connected as time is a series of images as an approximation of one reality. Time is multiple moments, or multiple points, where it effectively is conducive to an act of inversion from one point to another.
8. Time takes on an absolute nature.