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Flat Earth Theory Contradictorly Argued by Physics.
Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:35 pm
by Eodnhoj7
Argument
1. Their is a movement arguing the earth is "flat". It is small and has existed in various grades for a long time.
2. Respectively the "round" earth movement shares a similiar paradigm.
3. The "round earth" movement is shared by physicists primarily, however physics is currently moving towards the claim all reality is 2 dimensional; thus necessitating the earth is flat and modern science is a projection of human understanding reflecting a dogmatic viewpoint similiar to the Catholic Church it condemns.
Thoughts?
Re: Flat Earth Theory Contradictorly Argued by Physics.
Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:17 pm
by Frank N Stein
What happened to that awesome explanation by Philosopher? I was going to congratulate him
Re: Flat Earth Theory Contradictorly Argued by Physics.
Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:21 pm
by Eodnhoj7
Frank N Stein wrote: ↑Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:17 pm
What happened to that awesome explanation by Philosopher? I was going to congratulate him
You will have to explain your point, I am not getting it.
Re: Flat Earth Theory Contradictorly Argued by Physics.
Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:34 pm
by Logik
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:35 pm
Argument
1. Their is a movement arguing the earth is "flat". It is small and has existed in various grades for a long time.
2. Respectively the "round" earth movement shares a similiar paradigm.
3. The "round earth" movement is shared by physicists primarily, however physics is currently moving towards the claim all reality is 2 dimensional; thus necessitating the earth is flat and modern science is a projection of human understanding reflecting a dogmatic viewpoint similiar to the Catholic Church it condemns.
Thoughts?
Is spacetime curved or flat? The answer to this question (whatever it is) has absolutely no f****** implication on our day-to-day life/decision-making.
Humans will find any reason to discriminate against one another. Of all the pathetic reasons to discriminate on - I can't roll my eyes far enough when it comes to semantics.
You don't think/speak like me BAAAAAAAAD!
Re: Flat Earth Theory Contradictorly Argued by Physics.
Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:35 pm
by Frank N Stein
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:21 pm
Frank N Stein wrote: ↑Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:17 pm
What happened to that awesome explanation by Philosopher? I was going to congratulate him
You will have to explain your point, I am not getting it.
Nothing to explain. Philosopher's post was here, and then it was gone. He explained why a 2D holographic universe doesn't mean a 'flat earth'.
Re: Flat Earth Theory Contradictorly Argued by Physics.
Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:36 pm
by Eodnhoj7
Logik wrote: ↑Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:34 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:35 pm
Argument
1. Their is a movement arguing the earth is "flat". It is small and has existed in various grades for a long time.
2. Respectively the "round" earth movement shares a similiar paradigm.
3. The "round earth" movement is shared by physicists primarily, however physics is currently moving towards the claim all reality is 2 dimensional; thus necessitating the earth is flat and modern science is a projection of human understanding reflecting a dogmatic viewpoint similiar to the Catholic Church it condemns.
Thoughts?
Is spacetime curved or flat? The answer to this question (whatever it is) has absolutely no f****** implication on our day-to-day life/decision-making.
Humans will find any reason to discriminate against one another. Of all the pathetic reasons to discriminate on - I can't roll my eyes far enough when it comes to semantics.
You don't think/speak like me BAAAAAAAAD!
Actually because of our concept of reality provides the framework for modeling our pragmatic nature through technological innovation...it does completely.
Re: Flat Earth Theory Contradictorly Argued by Physics.
Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:39 pm
by Logik
Frank N Stein wrote: ↑Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:35 pm
Nothing to explain. Philosopher's post was here, and then it was gone. He explained why a 2D holographic universe doesn't mean a 'flat earth'.
It does and it doesn't!
In mathematics you can transform equations from one form/paradigm into another.
Isomorphic mathematical formulas can have identical consequences/implications even though they have different form.
Because they are isomorphic their utility is identical. Even though their aesthetic/forms are vastly different
Re: Flat Earth Theory Contradictorly Argued by Physics.
Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:40 pm
by Eodnhoj7
Frank N Stein wrote: ↑Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:35 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:21 pm
Frank N Stein wrote: ↑Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:17 pm
What happened to that awesome explanation by Philosopher? I was going to congratulate him
You will have to explain your point, I am not getting it.
Nothing to explain. Philosopher's post was here, and then it was gone. He explained why a 2D holographic universe doesn't mean a 'flat earth'.
Well its gone, so I can't tear it apart can I
?
Actually 3 dimensionality can observe "depth" as merely a continual state of change in 2dimensional structures continually converging/diverging.
A 2 dimensional structure does not necessitate an absence of 3 dimensionality, but rather what we considering as "round" effectively being an everpresent state of "change".
I argue this in "Viewing all as Shallow" which observes a perceptual argument for a flat reality.
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Re: Flat Earth Theory Contradictorly Argued by Physics.
Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:40 pm
by Eodnhoj7
Logik wrote: ↑Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:39 pm
Frank N Stein wrote: ↑Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:35 pm
Nothing to explain. Philosopher's post was here, and then it was gone. He explained why a 2D holographic universe doesn't mean a 'flat earth'.
It does and it doesn't!
In mathematics you can transform equations from one form/paradigm into another.
Isomorphic mathematical formulas can have identical consequences/implications even though they have different form.
Because they are isomorphic their utility is identical. Even though their aesthetic/forms are vastly different
True, we are left with "inversion" as a foundation phenomenon within all measurement.
Re: Flat Earth Theory Contradictorly Argued by Physics.
Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:41 pm
by Logik
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:36 pm
Actually because of our concept of reality provides the framework for modeling our pragmatic nature through technological innovation...it does completely.
To the person designing/operating the GPS network - it totally makes a difference.
To the person designing the LIGO experiment - it totally makes a difference.
To the person designing the navigation systems for airplanes - it totally makes a difference.
To Joe Contrarian who has nothing better to do with his life - it's a reason to pick on others.
Re: Flat Earth Theory Contradictorly Argued by Physics.
Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:43 pm
by Logik
If I had nothing better to do with myself, I might just embark on a mission to derive euclidian equations which equivalent predictive utility as the current stuff we have.
And the flat-earthers will celebrate!
Re: Flat Earth Theory Contradictorly Argued by Physics.
Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:44 pm
by Eodnhoj7
Logik wrote: ↑Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:41 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:36 pm
Actually because of our concept of reality provides the framework for modeling our pragmatic nature through technological innovation...it does completely.
To the person designing/operating the GPS network - it totally makes a difference.
To the person designing the LIGO experiment - it totally makes a difference.
To the person designing the navigation systems for airplanes - it totally makes a difference.
To Joe Contrarian who has nothing better to do with his life - it's a reason to pick on others.
Actually it does, because physics has turned itself into a religion of technological tyranny. All the technology built upon its framework, as well as its "pragmatic utility" is just...well irrational.
Re: Flat Earth Theory Contradictorly Argued by Physics.
Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:47 pm
by Logik
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:44 pm
Actually it does, because physics has turned itself into a religion of technological tyranny. All the technology built upon its framework, as well as its "pragmatic utility" is just...well irrational.
I have no such objections to technological advancement.
But I do object to conceptual/predictive models being deified as Truth and used as a tool for social ostracism.
Re: Flat Earth Theory Contradictorly Argued by Physics.
Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:50 pm
by Eodnhoj7
Logik wrote: ↑Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:47 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:44 pm
Actually it does, because physics has turned itself into a religion of technological tyranny. All the technology built upon its framework, as well as its "pragmatic utility" is just...well irrational.
I have no such objections to technological advancement.
But I do object to conceptual/predictive models being deified as Truth and used as a tool for social ostracism.
The fact we are discussing this over a computer rather than face to face is social ostracism...that is all technology does: Ostracize and quantify people into categories. It dissolves the human condition and tears it into pieces.
Re: Flat Earth Theory Contradictorly Argued by Physics.
Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:51 pm
by Logik
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:50 pm
The fact we are discussing this over a computer rather than face to face is social ostracism...
False dichotomy.
If it wasn't for computers/internet - do you think you and I would be having this conversation at all?
The face-to-face option has not been taken away from us.
Only an alternative (that didn't exist 50 years ago) has been added.