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Does God want us to judge him?

I think that God wants us to judge him. We are to emulate Jesus. Jesus judged God and found him wanting.

Upon taking the judgement seat, Jesus indicated that it was time to retire Yahweh. Jesus saw Yahweh as no longer fit to rule over or judge man. Man had in essence graduated to his rightful place as the judge of all the Gods.

Christians, who are told by their own scriptures to judge righteously, are not doing so when it comes to Yahweh.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.

Yahweh is quite a vile God. It is no wonder that Yahweh does not show his face around Christians. They would kill him. Jesus did say that he came to bring War. Perhaps he meant war against God, which would be following Jewish tradition.

If God wants us to judge him, why do most Christians not judge God in a righteous and moral manner?

Place no God above me, means that God wants us to judge all the Gods, including himself, to insure he is the best of the best. How else could we know that Yahweh was the best God to follow?

Do you agree, or are we not supposed to judge God?

Regards
DL

Should folks judge whatever it is that they worship?
Whatever is worshipped through devotional fear or devotional love is god.
To judge is to reason.
To worship is emotion.
Both are innate to humans.
Neither can be denied, both can be corrupted.
When purified both work as intended, i.e., emotion fuels and focuses reason.

Walker wrote: ↑Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:02 pm Should folks judge whatever it is that they worship?
Whatever is worshipped through devotional fear or devotional love is god.
To judge is to reason.
To worship is emotion.
Both are innate to humans.
Neither can be denied, both can be corrupted.
When purified both work as intended, i.e., emotion fuels and focuses reason.

To worship is emotion. No.

Emotion is expressed by worship.

Worship is an act. Emotion is an internal feeling.

I am French though and am likely wrong. Can you break the logic trail though?

Regards
DL

Oh yes, worship is a function of emotion.

To worship is emotion. No.

Emotion is expressed by worship.

Since you're getting picky ...

To worship is To worship.
To judge is To judge.
Emotion is Emotion.
Intellect is Intellect.
Emotion is expressed in many ways.

Greatest I am wrote: ↑Sun Dec 16, 2018 8:06 pm Does God want us to judge him?

hi snake - good to see you still here (miss Bible-dics - go you?)

per your inquary.

no.

Greatest I am wrote: ↑Sun Dec 16, 2018 8:06 pm I think that God wants us to judge him.

why do you thinks so?

Greatest I am wrote: ↑Sun Dec 16, 2018 8:06 pm We are to emulate Jesus.

from my understanding of the man, i think so too.

Greatest I am wrote: ↑Sun Dec 16, 2018 8:06 pm Jesus judged God and found him wanting.

I 100-percent disagree with your view here.

but interested and welcome why you think so (opposite my view of what Jesus thought about his God).

Greatest I am wrote: ↑Sun Dec 16, 2018 8:06 pm Upon taking the judgement seat, Jesus indicated that it was time to retire Yahweh. Jesus saw Yahweh as no longer fit to rule over or judge man. Man had in essence graduated to his rightful place as the judge of all the Gods..

interesting!

i welcome more on this matter to understand your views (though reject that Jesus had the same view of his God).

Greatest I am wrote: ↑Sun Dec 16, 2018 8:06 pm Christians, who are told by their own scriptures to judge righteously, are not doing so when it comes to Yahweh.

most Christian are hyprocrites, and fixated on judging other mortals for the sins they excuse themselves of.

as for judging God, a true Christian out of Humility (a virtue) refuses to judge others (I'm not against judging others or God - as long as it is for the same sins I have commited) or God.

Greatest I am wrote: ↑Sun Dec 16, 2018 8:06 pm

Yahweh is quite a vile God.

don't see this, but welcome your views so i can understand.

Greatest I am wrote: ↑Sun Dec 16, 2018 8:06 pm It is no wonder that Yahweh does not show his face around Christians. They would kill him. Jesus did say that he came to bring War. Perhaps he meant war against God, which would be following Jewish tradition.

Jesus war was against Hypocrisy - not YHWH.

Greatest I am wrote: ↑Sun Dec 16, 2018 8:06 pm If God wants us to judge him,

there are many Gods/no Gods....but for disscussion's sake, i assume you are refering to the judeochristain God YHWH/Allah.

per "him" i see no evidence from the "holy books" that HE wants us to judge Him.

Greatest I am wrote: ↑Sun Dec 16, 2018 8:06 pm why do most Christians not judge God in a righteous and moral manner?

Humility Sir.

only another God has the right to judge other Gods.

that leaves men out on this account.

Greatest I am wrote: ↑Sun Dec 16, 2018 8:06 pm Place no God above me, means that God wants us to judge all the Gods, including himself, to insure he is the best of the best. How else could we know that Yahweh was the best God to follow?

Judaism was/is Polytheistic - and affirms/allows worship of other gods, as long as it is after YHWH.

humility demands to not judge the lesser Gods as it does the Father God as a mortal.

Greatest I am wrote: ↑Sun Dec 16, 2018 8:06 pm Do you agree, or are we not supposed to judge God?

Regards
DL

I do not agree, and value Humility - a virtue.

I'm an athiest of course ((not that it matters to the Gods/God - and as you full well know by now - after viewing my 1000's posts in "that other forum" for what? 10 yrs now?).

Walker wrote: ↑Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:02 pm
Whatever is worshipped through devotional fear or devotional love is god.

"god" above,

concur.

Walker wrote: ↑Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:02 pm To judge is to reason.

not that simple. all about ID/Ego.

those at war with themselves (Trump anyone?) - make "judgments" via thier not reason, but Id/ego (emotions).

they are "broken" and so cannot Judge impartially.

they can not judge - only "judge" - with all their personal skelletons in closet (even when said baggage is purely subconscious - folks like Stalin.Hilter (and your hero Trump (why his is your hero - you need to look inward to yourself on that one).....all there actions of destruction are outward to others (though in reality they hate/hated themselves - but were to cowardly to confront their brokeness............and so played the coward - and persecuted/killed others (instead of themselvse).

Walker wrote: ↑Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:02 pm To worship is emotion.

again, not that simple.
as above, if one's character of corrupt (like your hero Trumpler) - he will worship any concept of a God that affirms his corrupt character, rather than worshiping a God that condemns him for being Titler................and Titler seeing that his god condemns him, and the former "fixes himself" (grows Character).

BTW the fix is empathy - Titler is 60- yrs too late, the gene activation is "walled off" by 12-15 yrs, Trump's empathy gene will not be turned on - EVER - now.

i welcome his impeachment/distruction = and the saving of The United States of America's Republic.

in spite of YOU and the other 1/3 of American Pleab TREASONOUS CULT45 Putin Sleeper cell Enemy of the State assholes!

Gaffo


Greatest I am wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 16, 2018 8:06 pm
why do most Christians not judge God in a righteous and moral manner? Humility Sir.

only another God has the right to judge other Gods.

that leaves men out on this account.

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That s a judgement call on the Gods buddy.

You do what you say you are left out of doing.

I kind of miss the old site and have yet to replace it. Few seem to care about the bible, --- over all.

Most see it as one ideology while I see it as a consolidation of many of the older and wiser religions.

Regards
DL

Like my deceased father whom I judged, I also used to judge God. Now I realise they are who they are, and I accept their flaws. I'm the only one who hurts when I hold grudges and recriminations. It's not about them. It's about me.

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Fri Dec 28, 2018 10:54 pm Like my deceased father whom I judged, I also used to judge God. Now I realise they are who they are, and I accept their flaws. I'm the only one who hurts when I hold grudges and recriminations. It's not about them. It's about me.

It is also about you, if you are a Christian, and follow a genocidal son murdering p**** of a God, --- because you ignored scriptures and did not test Yahweh to see if he was godlike or satanlike.

Which one do you think would fear judgement? God or Satan?

Regards
DL

Greatest I am wrote: ↑Fri Dec 28, 2018 11:33 pm

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Fri Dec 28, 2018 10:54 pm Like my deceased father whom I judged, I also used to judge God. Now I realise they are who they are, and I accept their flaws. I'm the only one who hurts when I hold grudges and recriminations. It's not about them. It's about me.

It is also about you, if you are a Christian, and follow a genocidal son murdering p**** of a God, --- because you ignored scriptures and did not test Yahweh to see if he was godlike or satanlike.

Which one do you think would fear judgement? God or Satan?

Regards
DL

I couldn't answer that as, while I'm open to God in some form, I'm not talking about 'him' from any particular faith, but rather using the word God as nomenclature for things beyond my control or knowledge. To me, these days, God is the unknown. Nothing more nor less.

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Fri Dec 28, 2018 11:50 pm

Greatest I am wrote: ↑Fri Dec 28, 2018 11:33 pm

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Fri Dec 28, 2018 10:54 pm Like my deceased father whom I judged, I also used to judge God. Now I realise they are who they are, and I accept their flaws. I'm the only one who hurts when I hold grudges and recriminations. It's not about them. It's about me.

It is also about you, if you are a Christian, and follow a genocidal son murdering p**** of a God, --- because you ignored scriptures and did not test Yahweh to see if he was godlike or satanlike.

Which one do you think would fear judgement? God or Satan?

Regards
DL

I couldn't answer that as, while I'm open to God in some form, I'm not talking about 'him' from any particular faith, but rather using the word God as nomenclature for things beyond my control or knowledge. To me, these days, God is the unknown. Nothing more nor less.

Indeed. All the Gods are now Gods of the Gaps.

Even science has come to that end. Temporary I hope.

Regards
DL

Greatest I am wrote: ↑Sat Dec 29, 2018 2:14 am

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Fri Dec 28, 2018 11:50 pm

Greatest I am wrote: ↑Fri Dec 28, 2018 11:33 pm

It is also about you, if you are a Christian, and follow a genocidal son murdering p**** of a God, --- because you ignored scriptures and did not test Yahweh to see if he was godlike or satanlike.

Which one do you think would fear judgement? God or Satan?

Regards
DL

I couldn't answer that as, while I'm open to God in some form, I'm not talking about 'him' from any particular faith, but rather using the word God as nomenclature for things beyond my control or knowledge. To me, these days, God is the unknown. Nothing more nor less.

Indeed. All the Gods are now Gods of the Gaps.

Even science has come to that end. Temporary I hope.

Regards
DL

I think all the Gods fill the gaps in people's knowledge. Myth was made for uncertainty.

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Sat Dec 29, 2018 6:50 am

Greatest I am wrote: ↑Sat Dec 29, 2018 2:14 am

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Fri Dec 28, 2018 11:50 pm

I couldn't answer that as, while I'm open to God in some form, I'm not talking about 'him' from any particular faith, but rather using the word God as nomenclature for things beyond my control or knowledge. To me, these days, God is the unknown. Nothing more nor less.

Indeed. All the Gods are now Gods of the Gaps.

Even science has come to that end. Temporary I hope.

Regards
DL

I think all the Gods fill the gaps in people's knowledge. Myth was made for uncertainty.

Indeed.

Lest we forget though, it is the epitome of stupidity to read myths literally and historically.

Regards
DL

Greatest I am wrote: ↑Sat Dec 29, 2018 1:21 pm

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Sat Dec 29, 2018 6:50 am

Greatest I am wrote: ↑Sat Dec 29, 2018 2:14 am

Indeed. All the Gods are now Gods of the Gaps.

Even science has come to that end. Temporary I hope.

Regards
DL

I think all the Gods fill the gaps in people's knowledge. Myth was made for uncertainty.

Indeed.

Lest we forget though, it is the epitome of stupidity to read myths literally and historically.

Regards
DL

Like the bible. Agreed.

Greatest I am wrote: ↑Fri Dec 28, 2018 5:05 pm

I kind of miss the old site and have yet to replace it.

welcome any other forum you may know about similar to this one and the former one - where thoughtful folks congregate.

Greatest I am wrote: ↑Fri Dec 28, 2018 5:05 pm Most see it as one ideology while I see it as a consolidation of many of the older and wiser religions.

Regards
DL

indeed concur Sir.

HNY to ya! and thanks for reply!