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This new topic I've created, is basically a way of me trying to let go of my anger! And giving a reference point for other people to send, igronant, narrow minded, self obsessed people too.. So these idiots can be reminded why they are here!
I myself have recently joined, I joined because I am very interested in these type of topics being discussed! I joined to learn.. I will be honest, before I joined I thought I was quite learned! I was wrong! Lol.. There are many people on this forum who are very intelligent, some of the stuff posted is well out of my league... But with time I will study, learn and comprehend... By learning and asking people on here for advice.. But there is a problem I have got, I was brought up as a child, to respect other people's views opinions, no matter how much they were different from my own! Each person has their opinion, views just as important as our own!
Please respect other peoples views and opinions! A heated discussion is good for the mind and soul!
But to impose your views, ridicule and basically insult people is wrong... So please think about it!

Pot calling kettle black
Why would someone 'respect' the views of a fascist? Or a religious maniac?
Or someone who has no reading comprehension skills and continually tries to pick a fight with you?

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 8:22 pm Pot calling kettle black
Why would someone 'respect' the views of a fascist? Or a religious maniac?
Or someone who has no reading comprehension skills and continually tries to pick a fight with you?

OH MOST POWERFUL VEGGIESHEEP! PLEASE FORGIVE ME I AM A RETARD AS I CAN NOT READ! WHAT IS A POT? DO YOU SMOKE THAT OH BLESSED ONE!
all I am asking is you treat other peoples views and opinions with respect! That simple mate, or are you that narrow minded you Carnt?

VEGGIESHEEP??

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 8:22 pm Pot calling kettle black
Why would someone 'respect' the views of a fascist? Or a religious maniac?
Or someone who has no reading comprehension skills and continually tries to pick a fight with you?

Why would you respect the views of a fascist, or a religious maniac? Dont! But at least have the decenty to respect there views and beliefs... Just because they don't match up with yours, shows lack of disrespect for people in general! Quick bit of advice mate! Your inability to accept and respect people's beliefs or opinions, makes you the tyrant! Also not taking the time to understand and listen to people... You have decided to become the judge, jury and executioner! You know shit mate!

Davyboi wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 8:48 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 8:22 pm Pot calling kettle black
Why would someone 'respect' the views of a fascist? Or a religious maniac?
Or someone who has no reading comprehension skills and continually tries to pick a fight with you?

Why would you respect the views of a fascist, or a religious maniac? Dont! But at least have the decenty to respect there views and beliefs... Just because they don't match up with yours, shows lack of disrespect for people in general! Quick bit of advice mate! Your inability to accept and respect people's beliefs or opinions, makes you the tyrant! Also not taking the time to understand and listen to people... You have decided to become the judge, jury and executioner! You know shit mate!

You are sort of contradicting yourself here. 'Respect' is a very misused and misunderstood word. I'm not entirely sure I 'respect' anyone, now that I think about it.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 8:55 pm

Davyboi wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 8:48 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 8:22 pm Pot calling kettle black
Why would someone 'respect' the views of a fascist? Or a religious maniac?
Or someone who has no reading comprehension skills and continually tries to pick a fight with you?

Why would you respect the views of a fascist, or a religious maniac? Dont! But at least have the decenty to respect there views and beliefs... Just because they don't match up with yours, shows lack of disrespect for people in general! Quick bit of advice mate! Your inability to accept and respect people's beliefs or opinions, makes you the tyrant! Also not taking the time to understand and listen to people... You have decided to become the judge, jury and executioner! You know shit mate!

You are sort of contradicting yourself here. 'Respect' is a very misused and misunderstood word. I'm not entirely sure I 'respect' anyone, now that I think about it.

You are right vegetariantaxidermy, respect is a very misused and misunderstood word! But it's worth giving, even if it gets thrown back in your face.. But you still have to keep giving it! Whether you believe it or not I respect you, I don't agree with you and to be honest you make me feel angry and frustrated!
You are very stubborn, quick witted and fight for what you think is right! BUT I RESPECT YOU FOR THEM QUALITIES!

Davyboi wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:19 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 8:55 pm

Davyboi wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 8:48 pm
Why would you respect the views of a fascist, or a religious maniac? Dont! But at least have the decenty to respect there views and beliefs... Just because they don't match up with yours, shows lack of disrespect for people in general! Quick bit of advice mate! Your inability to accept and respect people's beliefs or opinions, makes you the tyrant! Also not taking the time to understand and listen to people... You have decided to become the judge, jury and executioner! You know shit mate!

You are sort of contradicting yourself here. 'Respect' is a very misused and misunderstood word. I'm not entirely sure I 'respect' anyone, now that I think about it.

You are right vegetariantaxidermy, respect is a very misused and misunderstood word! But it's worth giving, even if it gets thrown back in your face.. But you still have to keep giving it! Whether you believe it or not I respect you, I don't agree with you and to be honest you make me feel angry and frustrated!
You are very stubborn, quick witted and fight for what you think is right! BUT I RESPECT YOU FOR THEM QUALITIES!

It's difficult to 'respect' someone when they take your comments as the exact opposite of what they are saying, especially when they are agreeing with you.

VEGGIESHEEP.. How have you agreed with my comments? Or even listened to anyone else's views? All you have done is ridicule and take the moral high ground.

Davyboi wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:49 pm VEGGIESHEEP.. How have you agreed with my comments? Or even listened to anyone else's views? All you have done is ridicule and take the moral high ground.

You would need to go back and read all my comments related to you or your posts.
I think you called me a 'snowflake' at one point.

Nope, not if those views and opinions are garbage.

I'll counter 'em (usually a pointless exercise cuz you can't reason with 'stupid' or 'crazy'), or I'll ignore 'em, but respect 'em?

No friggin' way.

Davyboi wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 8:14 pm This new topic I've created, is basically a way of me trying to let go of my anger! And giving a reference point for other people to send, igronant, narrow minded, self obsessed people too.. So these idiots can be reminded why they are here!
I myself have recently joined, I joined because I am very interested in these type of topics being discussed! I joined to learn.. I will be honest, before I joined I thought I was quite learned! I was wrong! Lol.. There are many people on this forum who are very intelligent, some of the stuff posted is well out of my league... But with time I will study, learn and comprehend... By learning and asking people on here for advice.. But there is a problem I have got, I was brought up as a child, to respect other people's views opinions, no matter how much they were different from my own! Each person has their opinion, views just as important as our own!
Please respect other peoples views and opinions! A heated discussion is good for the mind and soul!
But to impose your views, ridicule and basically insult people is wrong... So please think about it!

- The principle is, to change the world, then you are the one who must be the desired change.*
- You do that, and the world changes in an unanticipated way.
- It is the world that changes, not just your perception of the world.
- This is easy enough to verify.

* Gandhi

The one to whom you write, exists in your mind. The one who writes to you, does not exist in your mind.

daveyboi wrote:But there is a problem I have got, I was brought up as a child, to respect other people's views opinions, no matter how much they were different from my own! Each person has their opinion, views just as important as our own!

As does VT.

The issue is not so much the fact that other people think and do, or what it is that they think and do about.
The only way you can affect what people do, and perhaps think, is either through tyranny, or by being what it is that you want to see.

Since affecting the behavior of others so that they respect others is the apparent objective, then the issue is more about what you think and do in reaction to what others think and do.

How Nelson Mandela won over his jailers

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-nelson ... s-jailers/

Davyboi wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 8:14 pm This new topic I've created, is basically a way of me trying to let go of my anger! And giving a reference point for other people to send, igronant, narrow minded, self obsessed people too.. So these idiots can be reminded why they are here!
I myself have recently joined, I joined because I am very interested in these type of topics being discussed! I joined to learn.. I will be honest, before I joined I thought I was quite learned! I was wrong! Lol.. There are many people on this forum who are very intelligent, some of the stuff posted is well out of my league... But with time I will study, learn and comprehend... By learning and asking people on here for advice.. But there is a problem I have got, I was brought up as a child, to respect other people's views opinions, no matter how much they were different from my own! Each person has their opinion, views just as important as our own!
Please respect other peoples views and opinions! A heated discussion is good for the mind and soul!
But to impose your views, ridicule and basically insult people is wrong... So please think about it!

We are a tribal race. We only trust those fully whose basic belief coincides with ours. As a rule. As a mass of people. I'd rather fight for a country and for people who are atheists, than for religious folks of any god. Christians fight for Christians, Muslims for Muslims,and then within that, each for his or her own sect.

I learned this from two books, both were fiction, but very powerful. One said, by an American author, named Mark Twain, in the mouth of a white slave-owner, "Getting a Christian N=r is worth ten times more than getting an ordinary N-r."

The other reference was in my childhood reading. Hungary was bordering in the middle ages with an ever-expanding imperialistic state, the Ottoman Turks. In that book it was described how each side took prisoners, and they only trusted the prisoners with weapons to defend the community if they converted to the faith of the community. This was no joke. God-belief in those days was the rule of the day, and people were willing to go to the stakes in order to save their souls.

So switching religions was not possible, unless your belief also switched. You just did not sell out your soul.

So what do we do today? We are products of evolution, the patterns to most of our cultural and societal icons and institutions were formed in the African Savannah back 100,000 years ago, and was solidified across the species in the next 90,000 years. We proselytize, hopefully and mercilessly. One outcome of this is the absolute war between people holding opposing beliefs. They bar no holds, other than beating or killing each other.

One of the proselytization weapons is ridicule, disrespect. It is a serious business, proselytizing. You spare no expense and you take no prisoners.

The disrespect on these boards are borne out of the mechanism of different faiths; now it has transferred to different beliefs, which does include other as well as the supernatural. VT believes that all Americans are dolts, idiots and boorish slaves to the neo-imprerialist military-industrial complex. And she has some truth with that. She is disrespectful because (maybe even just subconsciously) wants to change the American status quo, and her only weapon is disrespect and ridicule.

Basically, disrespect is a product of a proselytizing fight, to this end:

Anything to try to force people to believe in your own beliefs.


For some, this includes disrespect.