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Inappropriate truth.

I don't know if we are sacred beings? We get told the chance of our existence is something to be amazed about, how we got here, evolution etc! And part of me does believe we are sacred in that respect..but when you look at humanity in whole, we aren't sacred. We abuse, use and basically fuck this planet and are fellow occupants over..we have lost are place I think.

The laws of God are the laws of men, almost always men with a tremendous lust for power and control over others.

Luxin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:26 am November 8, 2018

[ This piece is only for secular free thinkers. ]

We are sacred beings.
Therefore, when others try
to "shovel dirt on our graves",
they are actually
"shoveling dirt on their own graves" unawares.

By the time they might be thought
to realize what they are doing,
it is too late....

....

Nope we are not sacred being, fact is we are being infested with parasites [physical and mental].

Theists are unaware of this fact;

• Theism and the Zombie Parasites
  viewtopic.php?f=11&t=25418
  Why theists believe in an illusory God is because they are compelled by 'zombie parasites*' in their brain. * not real parasites but a sort of neural set of connectivity driven by an existential crisis.

Compelled by these zombie parasites in their brain SOME [significant quantum] theists commit terrible evil and violent acts as a divine duty when sanctioned by their God.

It is likely theists will never realize the existence of those zombie parasites in their brain and SOME extremist believers will eventually exterminate the human species when WMDs are cheaply and easily available in the black market or freely.

nb: DNA wise, the zombie parasites infect ALL human beings and are inactive in some.

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Luxin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 10, 2018 9:35 am November 10, 2018

god Veritas Aequitas et al,

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:26 am Nope we are not sacred being, fact is we are being infested with parasites [physical and mental]...
Why theists believe in an illusory God is because they are compelled by 'zombie parasites*' in their brain. * not real parasites but a sort of neural set of connectivity driven by an existential crisis.

If we did have real 'zombie parasites', our overall being would be unchanged from the corrupt condition it is in normally. Our overall being is corrupt, but because of our Divine essential nature that is sacred, those that believe in our Divinity regard us as essentially sacred beings.

The word 'sacred' in the term 'sacred beings' doesn't mean we beings are pure or free of corruption or the potential for it. The outer nature of our mind/body can never be perfectly pure. The sacred and pure is 'the essence of a god' -- i.e. 'the god's inner nature of Spirit, Conscience and Soul'. (My definition of a 'god' is 'a sacred being'.)

We are sacred or Divine beings because of our always pure, perfect, eternal, immutable and incorruptible inner nature, but our whole being with its corruptible outer nature is not sacred, but temporal and mutable. One's most corruptible feature is one's mind that is responsible for our sin/error, but subject to the bad karma of imbalance, negative outside mental influence and brainwashing.

We are holy beings because of the holiness that is in us in our Superconscious aspect.

Sat shree akaal (Sikh romanization, 'Truth is eternal')

You are making too many assumptions that humans are corrupt and there exists a sacred or Divine being within us. You are assuming God exists and this is linked to the internal sacred being. Your above claims and assumptions are not supported by proofs. If so, where are your evidence?

On the other hand I start with objective empirical evidences.
It is very obvious from the history of mankind, humans has the potential to commit evil and violent acts just like most animals and in a 'larger' scale imputed with greater self-awareness, ego and higher intelligences.
Surely you cannot dispute this?

It is from these elements that the "zombie parasites' emerged to deal with the turbulences of life, e.g. triggering the ideal of god to deal with the associated self-aware and subliminal pains.

And also from empirical evidences;
it is noted there are positive progresses within humanity in terms of knowledge, morality, empathy, compassionate and general good.

In terms of morality, there is an emergence of a moral faculty within our brain, note,
Morality is not just something that people learn, argues Yale psychologist Paul Bloom: It is something we are all born with. At birth, babies are endowed with compassion, with empathy, with the beginnings of a sense of fairness.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... of-babies/

In terms of empathy and compassion, there is an emergence of mirror neurons.

In addition, Iacoboni has argued that mirror neurons are the neural basis of the human capacity for emotions such as empathy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_neuron

The above are clues which will facilitate deeper studies into how these progressive faculties emerges within human evolution.

As you can see from the above the evil and good emerges out of evolution and not from a God [sacred Divine Being] which is an illusion and impossibility.
If an all powerful and compassionate God exists, God should have planted an immediate capacity for good in all human beings long ago to prevent all the evils that has happened since humankind emerged.

The above empirical evidences proves there is no "sacred being" nor a pre-existing God awaiting theists to believe in it.

The claim that God exists is due to psychological impulses from an inherent zombie parasites within the brain/mind to soothe an inherent existential crisis.

Luxin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:26 am November 8, 2018

[ This piece is only for secular free thinkers. ]


Nature traps those who think that men are not gods.

Jolly good. I am man.

This is sorta counter-feminist, ain't it.

According to the poem, a lot of women went through the trap door. Except those of course with a most serious case of penis envy.

Inappropriate truth.

I think that the Earth would then be more sacred than us, and the Sun more sacred again, and Saggitarius A*, the supermassive black hole at the centre of the galaxy that basically created it, even more sacred.

I guess we could agree that much of reality is pretty cool and rather incomprehensible, including us humans. I don't think we should put ourselves on a pedestal, though. We are special in our own ways just as other entities are special in their own ways. Perhaps your celebration of the sacred should ideally be considerably broadened to better reflect the reality?

Inappropriate truth

Luxin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:37 am November 12, 2018

Esteemed 'nongod' Veritas Aequitas,

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:26 am In terms of morality, there is an emergence of a moral faculty within our brain, note,
Morality is not just something that people learn, argues Yale psychologist Paul Bloom: It is something we are all born with. At birth, babies are endowed with compassion, with empathy, with the beginnings of a sense of fairness.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... of-babies/

Thank you for the Scientific American quote. I find it amusing that you are implying that the babies' noted Virtues somehow have a physical source and, of course according to your concept, not a sacred or abstract source.

What I am doing is not [like you] starting with an assumption of 'sacredness' but rather focus on the empirical evidences.

Morality is something that is emerging and evolving and there is a lot humanity can learn from the empirical evidences available. I often quote the example of the abolition of Chattel Slavery as a natural progress of our inherent morality without the help of the divine nor the sacred. Instead the Abrahamic religions implicitly condone slavery and other immoral acts in their doctrines.

Once we have learned and understood the principles and mechanics involved with morality [linked to other aspects] humanity can then expedite the processes of morality within the brain and mind. This will then be implemented with a fool proof objective process, i.e. nothing sacred nor divine.
Note Human Connectome Project.
http://www.humanconnectomeproject.org/
which will facilitate the process to expedite the average morality quotient of humanity.