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Real philosophers and sages like Spinoza...

Odd to mention Spinoza. given his position on the notion of love...

Luxin wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:45 am November 2, 2018

'Universal Lover', 'Lover' or 'Real Lover' in this piece means a Lover of Life and All People -- i.e. one who loves all the creatures and the awesome laws of the Universe, and loves every person's good essence or individualized Spirit of God (Atman, True Self).

I dream of miraculously coming across one more person who is a Real Lover.

Are you suggesting here that 'you' are a Real Lover?

WHY dream of such a thing? A Real Lover already KNOWS WHY ALL people do WHAT they do and WHY they are the way that they are.

Luxin wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:45 am I mean someone to whom abusing another person for any reason is unthinkable and could cause them to wake up vomiting if they ever dreamed of doing it.

Are you at all aware that, as far as I am aware, 'you' actually do abuse children EVERY day?

Have you ever even considered that 'you' are actually doing it now, let alone just dreaming of doing it?

Luxin wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:45 amI have loved many, but have only found one Real Lover. I have done quite well with that, and know that I have earned and deserved my success in finding one, because I have loved my Self the best I could (just not well in my twenties) and I have loved all deeply except for a few who were around me when I was suffering mental problems and my love lapsed temporarily. My self did it, it was no big deal, and it was all short-term stuff.

Higher Love or Spiritual Desire is never satisfied because it's not immoral, and because there are always people out there amongst whom there could be that one more person who can actually love, and who has a good idea of what Spiritual Love is and what it isn't.

I am open to 'spiritual intercourse' with Real Lovers.

Come, let us become One, in intercourse.

Luxin wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:45 am I can always see when Love is in a person deep down somewhere.

Well that is NOT hard at all to see considering that at the very heart of EVERY human being there IS WHERE Love lays.

Luxin wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:45 am Love always shows in their words somehow. Love can't be hidden, no matter how hard we try to hide it.

There is some Truth to that.

Luxin wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:45 amI make these simple admissions because they are true and real, and I'm not comfortable with censoring myself.

Just so you do NOT feel uncomfortable at all and so you are NOT censoring at all, WHO/WHAT are 'you' actually then?

Luxin wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:45 am The age now upon us is clearly one of fear, harsh judgment, vindictiveness, slander, persecution, lies, cruelty and character assassination. Lovelessness is steadily increasing. Mistrust and paranoia can be healthy, but the first listed can destroy both the accusers and the accused.

HOW can 'mistrust' and 'paranoia' be "healthy"?

Luxin wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:45 amReal philosophers and sages like Spinoza, Christ and Lao Tzu are the great Lovers, and all of them were subversives. I'm glad to be in their company, and a subversive 'challenging the loveless order' just by being a Lover.

But none of them have actually made any Real change. Sure they have attempted to, with what they KNEW at the time, but if as you just so eloquently wrote, "Lovelessness is steadily INCREASING, then HOW are any of those you just now mentioned be Real philosophers and sages?

I would say a Real philosopher or sage would actually do some thing about actually creating world peace by SHOWING how to steadily INCREASE Real Love, back into the world of human beings. Instead of decreasing Real Love.

Luxin wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:45 amLove doesn't care or even know about any world order. Love just is, and is an inhuman force of Nature that neither has nor sees any wickedness.

So, are you saying that 'Love' is blind?

Luxin wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:45 amCan not Love distinguish between wicked and good?

Also, do you really think/BELIEVE that Love is a force?

Some might SEE Love as a Spiritual Guiding Peaceful like Energy rather than any sort of force?

Luxin wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:45 amLove only sees the beautiful and 'embraces it'; it unifies all the 'good' people in the world within Itself, and that's all this impersonal unifying power 'sees'.

Well just within this one sentence you have PROVEN that 'you' are very far from what you call Real Love. If you really think/BELIEVE that there are 'good' and 'bad' people and that that is WHAT you SEE, then I think you will NEED to take another look at your 'self'. Also, may be do THAT first BEFORE you start looking at "others".

Luxin wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:45 am Universal Love is 'Unity of All The Good in Love'. 'The good' was the name for God in Plato's time; it also means 'all "good" people' or 'all those who are of God'.

WHAT do 'you' mean by 'Are of God'?

There is NO human being that HAS TO even be aware of ANY God to do the Right and Good things in Life. In fact the ONLY human beings that ALWAYS do the Right and Good things ALWAYS, are the very ones who have NOT yet even been introduced to any human being made up conception like that of God yet, let alone being "OF God".

[Very clumsily written but will not change it for now].

Luxin wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:45 am Love knows only 'The Kingdom of God or Love' -- it is unaware of man's worldly kingdoms or laws'.

Is unaware? Or, does NOT force Its way into human being's made up world?

Could it be Love is talking and showing ALWAYS and in ALL WAYS, but human beings do NOT Really listen NOR see?

Could human beings actually be completely blinded in this regard to what IS actually Really happening? Or, are there some human beings who actually BELIEVE they KNOW what IS going on here in the Universe?

Luxin wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:45 am Love only 'sees and protects' those that 'live within Her'.

A VERY separatist view that you have, and are sharing here. Let Me guess you BELIEVE that Love only 'sees and protects' THOSE that 'you' WANT Love to protect. That is; the one's who are close to you and/or share the same views and BELIEFS as you?

Luxin wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:45 am Love does not recognize those who exist outside of Her and inevitably destroy themselves and each other outside of Her protection.

Love exists within EVERY thing, therefore EVERY thing, which is destroys it self and each other, IS outside of Love. Love certainly recognizes that. Love just does NOT force its way onto those ones who do NOT want Love.

Luxin wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:45 am Love doesn't know what hell on earth or suffering are, which are outside of Her because of sin which makes sinners unworthy of and denied Her protection.

The EXACT opposite could be argued.

By definition the word 'Love' would NOT make a distinction and thus only look at and/or see some as being UNWORTHY, while others are worthy.

In fact Love would work more in favor of those who some might call "unworthy" as those who class themselves as "worthy" would apparently have enough self-love that they do NOT need any Real Love. (That is sarcasm, by the way).

EACH and EVERY one NEEDS Real Love, equally. But if Real Love was to start some where we could ALL imagine who it would start with?

Luxin wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:45 amFor years now I've been much like Diogenes the Cynic, who walked about in the daytime holding a lamp and looking for an honest man. Wiki says: 'Diogenes looked for a human being but reputedly found nothing but rascals and scoundrels'. Diogenes was looking for the Virtue of Honesty; I'm looking for the Virtue of Love; and these two Virtues are always found together. Diogenes searched in public; I just search the net.

If you like physical and verbal satire, take a look at the following with humorous anecdotes about Diogenes that I never expected to laugh about so much:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diogenes

Still looking for a miracle. Don't think I'll find one, but who knows? I love 'the impossible'. One challenge is that it's impossible to really know if someone is a Real Lover over the net, the same as if someone's looking for a personal lover. Whatever kind of contact one has, Lover, lover or friend, one can only tell if they are actually going to be one of those by meeting them in person. The vibratory field a person has must be felt in person; it never shows in the written word or a webcam.

The facial expression or 'vultus' in Latin is helpful if one can read faces, a skill that was highly developed around Plato's time. 'Vultus' is the same root as that of 'vulture', the bird of prey. I believe didactics introduced the word 'vultus' into Latin as a reminder that one can see a predatory nature in the face of a person if one is skilled enough and studies enough faces. I know this is true because the skill just started coming to me, and I could see definite signs around the mouth in photos of sexual predators.

Well there is the solution to a world with NO more sexual rape. The one called "luxin" can tell if one is going to commit rape just by looking at photos. So, WHY do we NOT gather up ALL the photos we could and send "luxin's" way?

Luxin wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:45 am The voice does give something away; but a person's physical 'Love or otherwise force field' is the best way to know their 'vibes' or 'what they're about', good or bad.

I feel very sorry for blind and/or deaf human beings then. Your writing here suggests that they have no way of being able to recognize or of knowing such things.

Luxin wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:45 amOf course, I'll never personally meet anyone I 'net meet' for so many reasons.

Is "NEVER" and "OF COURSE" the CORRECT word and terminology to use in such a sentence?

With airplanes, trains, automobiles, cabs, ubers, bikes, and legs for walking, I do NOT see many reasons WHY you can NOT personally meet any other person, as long as they want to meet up with you also.

Luxin wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:45 amBy I do like the impossible challenge.

So, 'you' are ALREADY under the spell of ASSUMPTION and/or BELIEF that some thing is impossible. And, that some thing that appears IMPOSSIBLE to 'you' is just the meeting up with another human being in person, that you met on the net. If 'you' like 'you' can meet with Me, in person.

WHERE would you like to meet up?

But if we did that, then that would dispel your assumption/belief right?

And, you would NOT want that, would you?

Luxin wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:45 amEven if I thought somebody was 'the next miracle', I'd probably be thinking for the rest of my life, 'Was that really the miracle?' and probably never really knowing. Impossible challenge.

NOT impossible to challenge at all.

If they did some thing, which to you was an apparent "miracle" like SHOWING just HOW simple and easy WORLD PEACE for EVERYONE is to actually Create, and then THAT actually began happening, for one example.

Luxin wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:45 am I love it. Ultimately, however, it's my words that are important, and others who are suffering, not me. If my words help just one person to know themselves and Life, that will be the real miracle, and is what drives me to do my work in which disinterestedness must prevail.

WHY do 'you' think/BELIEVE/say "disinterestedness much prevail"?

I am EXTREMELY interested in 'you' SHOWING one person HOW to KNOW them 'self' and 'life'.

Let us start by 'you' answering the question 'Who am 'I'?'

I will ask about 'Life', after that.

Luxin wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:45 amMiracle? Universal Lover? Are you out there? I believe in you!

I am HERE. Are 'you' HERE, also?

Inappropriate openness.

Inappropriate truth

Inappropriate truth.

I'm looking for a lover too. Just not the type you're talking about.

Stunning, truth that transcends details, time, place.