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___An Alternative way to Perceive and Speculate____

when I talk about (the universe)

I really talk about the Conception we have of our Existence,

mankind mistakes the universe with life itself,

we can't explain what we are, what we feel, and how we fit in the cosmos ,

the body influences the mind in such an intense manner that it can trick itself into believing anything,

When the mind is completely convinced of the logical nature of something, It can easily start perceiving a different reality instead of the real one,

The experiences life gives us are just to overwhelming and intense to be able to Question ourselves if its really real or not,

Everything we believe is coupled to our emotions and the correlation they have with our reasoning,
every aspect of life has the possibility to Confuse and misguide our senses,

the things we experience no matter how real they may appear to be to us is not in our power to confirm the actuality of the events that happen in our lives,

The feeling we experience and apply to everything that we associate the reality with is different for everyone,
life is being interpret by all Individuals differently because we all have a different and Unique point of Perspective,

the general conception we have about life stems originally from our overall definition of life and how we have perceived it to be,

but beware,

having a general conception about life is still no guarantee or proof that the reality we trust and believe in really matches that of reality itself,

the reality we perceive may very well be just a personal optical illusion, an optical illusion we all experience differently,

our visions,perceptions and observations of life are unique and impossible to Compare,

Everything we experience,feel, and conceive has an influence on our cognitive way of Reasoning and has the possibility to alter our personality and have great effect on our rationalization abilities,

these factors determine the influence life has on our psychologically & philosophical state of mind,

starting at birth we are being fed all sorts of misleading information caused by being educated by others..

Which is directly responsible for our current vision of the universe and how we perceive it to be,

The human Mind has endless Possibilities and capabilities,

How Largely Complicated (the universe) will eventually be for us, will all depend on how much we can expand our minds and Learn New ways of how our minds can be used,

By expanding your Mind you expand your universe,

The life's that we live, are the universe's we experience.

mystical_universe wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:05 am having a general conception about life is still no guarantee or proof that the reality we trust and believe in really matches that of reality itself,

the reality we perceive may very well be just a personal optical illusion, an optical illusion we all experience differently,
....

There cannot be a reality that is a reality-in-itself or reality-by-itself that is independent of the human self.

Logically [apparently] there was a reality [Sun, Moon, Universe] that pre-existed before there were humans.
So there must be a reality-in-itself independent of human conditions and thoughts.

Really???
In a deeper reflection one can infer the whole shebang above cannot exists without any interaction of the human [individual and collective] conditions.

Therefore,
there cannot be a reality that is a reality-in-itself or reality-by-itself that is independent of the interaction of the collective and the individual human self who judges such a conclusion.
Such a point is shocking but it is true.

I created an alternate way to perceive - it's called anti-deduction


Anti-deduction is fear of the dark being dark to the fear

dark to the fear is from the fear

from the fear is fear the to

fear the to is to the safety

to the safety is protect the from

protect the from is protect the previous location

protect the previous location is previous location the violence

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 5:31 am

mystical_universe wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:05 am having a general conception about life is still no guarantee or proof that the reality we trust and believe in really matches that of reality itself,

the reality we perceive may very well be just a personal optical illusion, an optical illusion we all experience differently,
....

There cannot be a reality that is a reality-in-itself or reality-by-itself that is independent of the human self.

Logically [apparently] there was a reality [Sun, Moon, Universe] that pre-existed before there were humans.
So there must be a reality-in-itself independent of human conditions and thoughts.

Really???
In a deeper reflection one can infer the whole shebang above cannot exists without any interaction of the human [individual and collective] conditions.

Therefore,
there cannot be a reality that is a reality-in-itself or reality-by-itself that is independent of the interaction of the collective and the individual human self who judges such a conclusion.
Such a point is shocking but it is true.

Logically [apparently] there was a reality [Sun, Moon, Universe] that pre-existed before there were humans.
So there must be a reality-in-itself independent of human conditions and thoughts.

True but the reality one perceives distinguishes from observer to observer, so what kind and how many signals get true to the individual, counts only for him, the universe is to complex for us, just because we are the first species (that we know of) exist with a advanced form of lucidity and complex mind to work with, doesn't mean we actually know what the hell is going on around us, we might be intelligent and complex enough as a species to obtain just one piece of the entire puzzle, and because of our ego's and our 'generally right feeling' we experience during our life quest we get blinded by absolute all the other possibilities, like why trust yourself completely, when your own body is a myth to you, can you explain how and why?, our bodies are simply being given to us, and even tho they are our 'Vessels' which we are able to roam and move freely around, we should always question everything, because if the universe really is that complex,mind boggling, and limitless, shouldn't we treat the concepts of life in just the same way?, as long as nothing has bin proven, everything still is possible, I am totally against the idea of creating a general concept as community or group, because the signals we all interpreted, how life influences us, even factoring in the unknown effect and gravity mood and emotion have on our daily experiences as individuals, trying to see all the same picture of life is simply impossible due to the fact that life experience in of itself is specially designed to be unique and different, that's why I believe we can find our way true life much faster and easier while operating simply on our own set of data and unique perspective, I think the goal in life (if there is any) is that it does not matter what image, perspective, or believes we form in life, as long as we ourselves are entirely responsible for the of creating it, how else can we explain that we are all individuals that all have the same options and capabilities, to form a concept of the world around us, defining things for ourselves, having a particular believe in something, and having a own vision where we build our perception and perspective out of,

mystical_universe wrote: ↑Tue Jan 01, 2019 8:56 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 5:31 am

mystical_universe wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:05 am having a general conception about life is still no guarantee or proof that the reality we trust and believe in really matches that of reality itself,

the reality we perceive may very well be just a personal optical illusion, an optical illusion we all experience differently,
....

There cannot be a reality that is a reality-in-itself or reality-by-itself that is independent of the human self.

Logically [apparently] there was a reality [Sun, Moon, Universe] that pre-existed before there were humans.
So there must be a reality-in-itself independent of human conditions and thoughts.

Really???
In a deeper reflection one can infer the whole shebang above cannot exists without any interaction of the human [individual and collective] conditions.

Therefore,
there cannot be a reality that is a reality-in-itself or reality-by-itself that is independent of the interaction of the collective and the individual human self who judges such a conclusion.
Such a point is shocking but it is true.

Logically [apparently] there was a reality [Sun, Moon, Universe] that pre-existed before there were humans.
So there must be a reality-in-itself independent of human conditions and thoughts.

I agree to the actual experience of the current moon and the cognition/statement 'the Moon pre-existed before there were humans'.

Rather than the statement, note the realization and cognition of such a reality is imperative upon the existence of humans.
Therefore there cannot be a reality-in-itself that is independent of human conditions.
There is only a reality-by-human-selves, thus co-dependent of human conditions.

A reality-in-itself is merely a thought that is illusory.

True but the reality one perceives distinguishes from observer to observer, so what kind and how many signals get true to the individual, counts only for him,

the universe is to complex for us, just because we are the first species (that we know of) exist with a advanced form of lucidity and complex mind to work with,
doesn't mean we actually know what the hell is going on around us,
we might be intelligent and complex enough as a species to obtain just one piece of the entire puzzle,
and because of our ego's and our 'generally right feeling' we experience during our life quest we get blinded by absolute all the other possibilities,
like why trust yourself completely,
when your own body is a myth to you, can you explain how and why?,
our bodies are simply being given to us, and even tho they are our 'Vessels' which we are able to roam and move freely around, we should always question everything, because if the universe really is that complex,mind boggling, and limitless, shouldn't we treat the concepts of life in just the same way?, as long as nothing has bin proven, everything still is possible, I am totally against the idea of creating a general concept as community or group, because the signals we all interpreted, how life influences us, even factoring in the unknown effect and gravity mood and emotion have on our daily experiences as individuals, trying to see all the same picture of life is simply impossible due to the fact that life experience in of itself is specially designed to be unique and different, that's why I believe we can find our way true life much faster and easier while operating souls with your own set of data and unique perspective, I think the goal in life (if there is any) is that it does not matter what image, perspective, or believes we form in life, as long as we ourselves are entirely responsible for creating it, how else can we explain that we all are individuals that all have the same capabilities, to form a concept of the world around us, defining things for ourselves in life, having a particular believe in something, and having a vision where we build our perception and perspective out of,

Note sure of your point above, it is too stringy.

My point is there is no reality-in-itself, no thing-in-itself, no object-in-itself.

A human is a thing/object or self, but a human is not a human-in-itself, i.e. no man is an island by itself. Humans are created by other humans.
All man made objects including large man-made forests are not independent by-themselves.

As for moon, sun, stars, they are ultimately not things-in-themselves but humans are somehow connected to their existence.