Philosophy Now Forum

Sir-Sister-of-Suck wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:32 am If we did do away with tips, the competitive wage would need to go up for something like food servers in order to incentive them, but it would mean that the prices of restaurant food would also go up collectively, because every restaurant would be doing it. Some that have done away with tips have just lazily added a 'flat service charge' that acts as the same thing. Except you're required to pay it, unlike a tip.

So, as much as people complain about having to 'donate because a company won't pay their employee,' it's the better option out of a bad batch because otherwise you'd just have to deal with a more expensive service. Right now, you, as an individual, can choose to not give a tip but be rest assured on the good will of everyone else to. So if you wish to continue being a grouch, you're free to still enjoy all the benefits.

But the tips gained are definitely more than the wages they would otherwise receive. Companies would pay their employees the most optimum amount just to maintain an incentive. With the way it is right now, waiters and waitresses have the potential to make far more.

And I do realize there are other tipped jobs, the last thing more or less applies to all of them, though.

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 1:49 pm I have a lot of problems with tipping. It's passing the buck to me to pay someone else's wages, while I don't get to claim it as an expense, which the business does. If I'm paying the wage, I should also have the ability to hire and fire the people I'm paying. And I don't get to control who the tip goes to anyway.

Having said that, I do tip, overly well. I'm clearly a born sucker.

Philosophy Explorer wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 1:55 pm

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 1:49 pm I have a lot of problems with tipping. It's passing the buck to me to pay someone else's wages, while I don't get to claim it as an expense, which the business does. If I'm paying the wage, I should also have the ability to hire and fire the people I'm paying. And I don't get to control who the tip goes to anyway.

Having said that, I do tip, overly well. I'm clearly a born sucker.

Would it help you if a sign said the employees were
nonsalaried? At Great Clips, they ask me who I would like to cut my hair. And you do normally have a choice as to who services you DP, or use a different business.

PhilX

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 1:57 pm

Philosophy Explorer wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 1:55 pm

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 1:49 pm I have a lot of problems with tipping. It's passing the buck to me to pay someone else's wages, while I don't get to claim it as an expense, which the business does. If I'm paying the wage, I should also have the ability to hire and fire the people I'm paying. And I don't get to control who the tip goes to anyway.

Having said that, I do tip, overly well. I'm clearly a born sucker.

Would it help you if a sign said the employees were
nonsalaried? At Great Clips, they ask me who I would like to cut my hair. And you do normally have a choice as to who services you DP, or use a different business.

PhilX

The other business still has tipping. Not much of a choice.

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:02 pm Choice between businesses.

Philosophy Explorer wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:07 pm

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:02 pm Choice between businesses.

Then you just shop further as you would normally do (e.g. ask a friend). Seek a business with salaried employees if that's your wish (ofc there are other things you can do).

PhilX

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:52 pm

Philosophy Explorer wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:07 pm

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:02 pm Choice between businesses.

Then you just shop further as you would normally do (e.g. ask a friend). Seek a business with salaried employees if that's your wish (ofc there are other things you can do).

PhilX

Which restaurants don't have tipping? Besides cafeterias? Not a practical suggestion.

But I was speaking on how I feel about tipping anyway, not how I can avoid it. Because I can't. It still doesn't change the fact that it puts the onus on me to pay someone else's employee to work, when I wasn't the one who offered them the job. It's externalizing the business owners expense.

Philosophy Explorer wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:30 pm

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:52 pm

Philosophy Explorer wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:07 pm

Then you just shop further as you would normally do (e.g. ask a friend). Seek a business with salaried employees if that's your wish (ofc there are other things you can do).

PhilX

Which restaurants don't have tipping? Besides cafeterias? Not a practical suggestion.

But I was speaking on how I feel about tipping anyway, not how I can avoid it. Because I can't. It still doesn't change the fact that it puts the onus on me to pay someone else's employee to work, when I wasn't the one who offered them the job. It's externalizing the business owners expense.

Which restaurants don't have tipping? That's for you to find out as I've seen that before. Just call up and ask.

PhilX

Philosophy Explorer wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 12:39 pmTo point out, it's often in the news about proposals to raise the minimum wage to $15/hour. Some workers would lose their jobs at that rate.

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:52 pm

Philosophy Explorer wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:07 pm

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:02 pm Choice between businesses.

Then you just shop further as you would normally do (e.g. ask a friend). Seek a business with salaried employees if that's your wish (ofc there are other things you can do).

PhilX

Which restaurants don't have tipping? Besides cafeterias? Not a practical suggestion.

But I was speaking on how I feel about tipping anyway, not how I can avoid it. Because I can't. It still doesn't change the fact that it puts the onus on me to pay someone else's employee to work, when I wasn't the one who offered them the job. It's externalizing the business owners expense.