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They certainly look real (a side question would be the best illusion you've seen?)

PhilX

Philosophy Explorer wrote: ↑Sun Jul 29, 2018 11:06 pm They certainly look real (a side question would be the best illusion you've seen?)

PhilX

The word ''real'' is a idea...show me what an idea looks like?

Illusion just means things are not what they appear to be, not that they don't exist, because they exist as the concept dictates.

How does that happen, how does the uncreated create the appearance of the created?

No seer has ever seen the exact location of the claimed seer...I am the seer is taken for granted, without question...is probably the best illusion ever.



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Dam said:

"... show me what an idea looks like?" Which one would you like to see?

PhilX

Philosophy Explorer wrote: ↑Mon Jul 30, 2018 3:44 pm Dam said:

"... show me what an idea looks like?" Which one would you like to see?

PhilX

Just the one please..

Philosophy Explorer wrote: ↑Sun Jul 29, 2018 11:06 pm Are illusions real?

They certainly look real (a side question would be the best illusion you've seen?)

PhilX

Is that the question you intend? Concepts like, "real," are contextual. Obviously illusions exist, but they are only real if the mode of existence (physical, psychological, fictional, etc.) is specified and they actually have that mode. The concept Santa Claus exists but only as a fiction used for the entertainment of children. There really is such a concept, but its mode is a fiction. Santa Claus does not exist in a physical mode.

Illusions are certainly real, in the sense we actually have them. Aren't you really asking if the content of illusions are correct representations of reality?

Randy

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:47 am

Philosophy Explorer wrote: ↑Sun Jul 29, 2018 11:06 pm They certainly look real (a side question would be the best illusion you've seen?)

PhilX

The word ''real'' is a idea...show me what an idea looks like?

Illusion just means things are not what they appear to be, not that they don't exist, because they exist as the concept dictates.

How does that happen, how does the uncreated create the appearance of the created?

No seer has ever seen the exact location of the claimed seer...I am the seer is taken for granted, without question...is probably the best illusion ever.



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Here's what an idea looks like:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikiped ... mals/Birds

They look like birds to me.

PhilX

Philosophy Explorer wrote: ↑Mon Jul 30, 2018 8:21 pm

Here's what an idea looks like:



They look like birds to me.

A bird is an idea..no bird has ever been seen, a bird is just a known concept by the only knowing there is, which is consciousness the great illusionist that ever was, making the invisible visible.

In other words, no one has ever seen and idea, or a thought, or a consciousness.

Nothing but concepts all the way down...aka illusions.

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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:15 am

Philosophy Explorer wrote: ↑Mon Jul 30, 2018 8:21 pm

Here's what an idea looks like:



They look like birds to me.

A bird is an idea..no bird has ever been seen, a bird is just a known concept by the only knowing there is, which is consciousness the great illusionist that ever was, making the invisible visible.

In other words, no one has ever seen and idea, or a thought, or a consciousness.

Nothing but concepts all the way down...aka illusions.

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"A bird is an idea." Exactly so that completes my proof to you which you've just acknowledged. Thank you for your affirmation.

PhilX

Philosophy Explorer wrote: ↑Sun Jul 29, 2018 11:06 pm They certainly look real (a side question would be the best illusion you've seen?)

PhilX

YOU have never seen an illusion - YOU are the illusion and the illusion is real, apparently, as known by no one.

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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Jul 31, 2018 11:18 am

Philosophy Explorer wrote: ↑Sun Jul 29, 2018 11:06 pm They certainly look real (a side question would be the best illusion you've seen?)

PhilX

YOU have never seen an illusion - YOU are the illusion and the illusion is real, apparently, as known by no one.

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Since you're not me, you don't know if I've seen an illusion when in fact I have seen many. Since you're conversing with me, you're acknowledging my reality.

PhilX

Philosophy Explorer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 31, 2018 11:23 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Jul 31, 2018 11:18 am

Philosophy Explorer wrote: ↑Sun Jul 29, 2018 11:06 pm They certainly look real (a side question would be the best illusion you've seen?)

PhilX

YOU have never seen an illusion - YOU are the illusion and the illusion is real, apparently, as known by no one.

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Since you're not me, you don't know if I've seen an illusion when in fact I have seen many. Since you're conversing with me, you're acknowledging my reality.

PhilX

You say you have seen an illusion.

Have you seen what is seeing that illusion?

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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Jul 31, 2018 11:58 am

Philosophy Explorer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 31, 2018 11:23 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Jul 31, 2018 11:18 am

YOU have never seen an illusion - YOU are the illusion and the illusion is real, apparently, as known by no one.

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Since you're not me, you don't know if I've seen an illusion when in fact I have seen many. Since you're conversing with me, you're acknowledging my reality.

PhilX

You say you have seen an illusion.

Have you seen what is seeing that illusion?

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Yes

PhilX

Philosophy Explorer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 31, 2018 12:18 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Jul 31, 2018 11:58 am

Philosophy Explorer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 31, 2018 11:23 am

Since you're not me, you don't know if I've seen an illusion when in fact I have seen many. Since you're conversing with me, you're acknowledging my reality.

PhilX

You say you have seen an illusion.

Have you seen what is seeing that illusion?

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Yes

PhilX

Can you show what is seeing the illusion?

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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Jul 31, 2018 12:40 pm

Philosophy Explorer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 31, 2018 12:18 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Jul 31, 2018 11:58 am

You say you have seen an illusion.

Have you seen what is seeing that illusion?

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Yes

PhilX

Can you show what is seeing the illusion?

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Yes, you are. Check your mirror.

PhilX

Philosophy Explorer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 31, 2018 12:46 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Jul 31, 2018 12:40 pm

Philosophy Explorer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 31, 2018 12:18 pm

Yes

PhilX

Can you show what is seeing the illusion?

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Yes, you are. Check your mirror.

PhilX

Why would the seer (you) need a mirror to show it is you ?

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