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What's the acid test?

PhilX

When all the idiots on planet earth have disappeared. Maybe some day we'll send them all to outer space. Since they're already brain-dead, they won't need oxygen!

How do you know when you're in Heaven?

You're in a constant state of pleasant excitement and pleasurable satisfaction, at the same time, and you can't tire of it.

Dubious wrote: ↑Mon Jul 23, 2018 10:00 pm When all the idiots on planet earth have disappeared. Maybe some day we'll send them all to outer space. Since they're already brain-dead, they won't need oxygen!

Can't be. "Happy are the weak in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."

I don't know, but just going off hearsay regarding what seems to be conventional wisdom on the matter (expressed by other people who presumably had never been there either), being dead would seem likely to meet the most rudimentary initial criteria prior to any further assessment. If you're not dead, then it seems relatively safe to assume you're probably not in "heaven".

When you "discover" you're not on Earth anymore

...you're not in the Purgatory...

...you're not in Hell (hmmm... feeling quite comfortable here)

...then you're in Heaven! Enjoy!

Necromancer wrote: ↑Sun Jul 29, 2018 2:04 pm When you "discover" you're not on Earth anymore

...you're not in the Purgatory...

...you're not in Hell (hmmm... feeling quite comfortable here)

...then you're in Heaven! Enjoy!

Depending on what is meant by "heaven", adding "you're not an astronaut." Might be warranted also--given the wording in that particular list of possibilities. But maybe I'm wrong. Making relatively true statements concerning things which are, by their nature, unverifiable--though not entirely impossible--can be challenging.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Jul 29, 2018 3:55 pm

Necromancer wrote: ↑Sun Jul 29, 2018 2:04 pm When you "discover" you're not on Earth anymore

...you're not in the Purgatory...

...you're not in Hell (hmmm... feeling quite comfortable here)

...then you're in Heaven! Enjoy!

Depending on what is meant by "heaven", adding "you're not an astronaut." Might be warranted also--given the wording in that particular list of possibilities. But maybe I'm wrong. Making relatively true statements concerning things which are, by their nature, unverifiable--though not entirely impossible--can be challenging.

Please, don't forget the psychology of those who are eligible for Hell feel that Hell is too traumatic for them to contemplate and so disbelieve the whole issue including all that relates! Agree? You see the mental trap? They fail to consider Hell because Hell is too immense for their mentality. They become aliens to religion and, secretly, evil becomes their unspoken "religion" without them knowing it themselves!

Gary, please, don't become an evil person!

Necromancer wrote: ↑Sun Jul 29, 2018 5:00 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Jul 29, 2018 3:55 pm

Necromancer wrote: ↑Sun Jul 29, 2018 2:04 pm When you "discover" you're not on Earth anymore

...you're not in the Purgatory...

...you're not in Hell (hmmm... feeling quite comfortable here)

...then you're in Heaven! Enjoy!

Depending on what is meant by "heaven", adding "you're not an astronaut." Might be warranted also--given the wording in that particular list of possibilities. But maybe I'm wrong. Making relatively true statements concerning things which are, by their nature, unverifiable--though not entirely impossible--can be challenging.

Please, don't forget the psychology of those who are eligible for Hell feel that Hell is too traumatic for them to contemplate and so disbelieve the whole issue including all that relates! Agree? You see the mental trap? They fail to consider Hell because Hell is too immense for their mentality. They become aliens to religion and, secretly, evil becomes their unspoken "religion" without them knowing it themselves!

Gary, please, don't become an evil person!

I wouldn't know how to even begin to verify any such "psychology" of anyone "elgible for hell". My first inclination would be to consult God for the final word on the matter but it seems the only ones available for consultation who will readily speak up are those with relatively dubious credentials for possessing that information. Worst of all, the ones with the dubious credentials stating claims concerning "hell" seem to possess some strange aversion to any advice from those of us who are just trying to help them come down to concrete and knowable reality. I'm sort of perplexed on what the best course of action is for a rational person in such circumstances. But if you have some advice on that, I would appreciate the enlightenment.