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I could have asked about what's the hardest thing to do? But I think the topic question is more interesting as I don't think anybody ever thinks about that. So what do you think?

PhilX

playing the victim. we excel at it - esp. lately.

Rile up pinheads.

Make urine.

If you love somebody, a hug or a kiss is the easiest thing to do.

asking on a philosophy forum questions by the dozen that one garners from a website.

Nothing is easy, and it doesn't get any easier once the arthritis sets in.

Philosophy Explorer wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 9:02 pm I could have asked about what's the hardest thing to do? But I think the topic question is more interesting as I don't think anybody ever thinks about that. So what do you think?

PhilX

The easiest thing to do is to understand that there is no you to do. And that the you is the done.

Or, maybe that’s the hardest thing to do.

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Greta wrote: ↑Fri Jun 29, 2018 5:11 am Nothing is easy, and it doesn't get any easier once the arthritis sets in.

"Yesterday...
{love,
sitting,
standing,
walking,
laughing,
driving,
keying,
thinking,
remembering,
eating,
sodding,
reading,
peeing,
cleaning,
cooking,
shopping,
volunteering,
donating,
watching,
self-reflecting,
picking nose}
...was such an easy game to play."

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jun 29, 2018 6:57 am
...there is no you to do. ... the you is the done.

This may very well apply to you, Dontaskme, but you ought not to extrapolate from your experience to other people.

-1- wrote: ↑Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:31 am"Yesterday...

{love, - true, got bored
sitting, - true
standing, - yes
walking, - God yes! Pity, I loved walking
laughing, - naw, I probably laugh more, maybe through becoming more laughable?
driving, - very much so. Intimidated by everyone driving truck sized vehicles
keying, - about the same as always
thinking, - some types of thinking, yes, are harder with age but the overview improves plenty
remembering, - hahaha
eating, - nope, still love my tucker
sodding, - no thx
reading, - maybe
peeing, - ever easier and more urgent
cleaning, - was never much for it
cooking, - nope, it's improved
shopping, - yes, buying online without seeing and trying out/on the actual item is a lottery
volunteering, - about the same
donating, - somewhat improved
watching, - no. Much more of a watcher with age
self-reflecting, - no. I do more of that too thanks to retirement
picking nose} - like everyone else, I remain a covert enthusiast

-1- wrote: ↑Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:31 am...was such an easy game to play."

1. Yawning.
2. Laughing.

If you are not obliged to do it or to suppress it. If you feel like doing it.

-1- wrote: ↑Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:33 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jun 29, 2018 6:57 am
...there is no you to do. ... the you is the done.

This may very well apply to you, Dontaskme, but you ought not to extrapolate from your experience to other people.

I may be wrong and don't want to project, but I think what DAM says applies to this example, which makes it universal and perhaps understandable.

When you learn to drive a car, if you can remember back that far, you must think about all the aspects at the same time, especially the physics of speed.

Foot controls, hand controls, a changing environment, distractions, everyone knows that was hard. When you get to the point when you can stop thinking about it, it’s not only easy but effortless. So effortless that some folks can drive, eat a big Mac, have a smoke, talk on the phone, process information off the GPS, yell at the kids if they’re getting rowdy without their electronics, but of course not all at once. Multi-tasking one at a time, quickly and effortlessly.

Extrapolate the principle of effortless behind the reality of driving a car, to all of life. It’s the way humans function when not locked into a limiting identity which is required for learning to drive a car ... because what's learned is more than muscle memory, it’s a natural processing unfolding reality beyond the encumbering time-constraints of logical analysis, which requires a “you.”

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Jul 01, 2018 2:00 pm When you learn to drive a car, if you can remember back that far, you must think about all the aspects at the same time, especially the physics of speed.
Foot controls, hand controls, a changing environment, distractions, everyone knows that was hard. When you get to the point when you can stop thinking about it,it’s not only easy but effortless. So effortless that some folks can drive, eat a big Mac, have a smoke, talk on the phone, process information off the GPS, yell at the kids if they’re getting rowdy without their electronics, but of course not all at once. Multi-tasking one at a time, quickly and effortlessly.
Extrapolate the principle of effortless behind the reality of driving a car, to all of life. It’s the way humans function when not locked into a limiting identity which is required for learning to drive a car ... because what's learned is more than muscle memory, it’s a natural processing unfolding reality beyond the encumbering time-constraints of logical analysis, which requires a “you.”

So true, so true. Especially about the learning process.

I’ve read that people go through several stages of learning:

1. They don’t know what they don’t know.
Before learning a skill, they don’t have a clue about what they’re going to be learning.

2. They know what they don’t know.
As learning begins, they can see what they need to learn.

3. They know what they know.
Competency evolves when they can appreciate all that they are learning.

4. They don’t know what they know.
Once they have mastered a skill, they perform effortlessly without needing to think about any aspects of what they’re doing. They just do things automatically.