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Does it really exist? Can it be achieved?

One of the big goals in life, yet I don't believe it really exists. It's like getting to the top of the mountain, but you can easily fall down.

PhilX

Sounds like you haven't thought about what financial security means. Surely it just means having a pension that you can comfrotably retire on, and some savings to cover expenses, and good enough insurance to cover major risks such as house fires, stolen cars and ill health?

That level of financial security is hardly unacheivable, especially for someone with a massive income such as that of you, the amazing sales guru. You must rake in the big bucks.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 3:38 pm Sounds like you haven't thought about what financial security means. Surely it just means having a pension that you can comfrotably retire on, and some savings to cover expenses, and good enough insurance to cover major risks such as house fires, stolen cars and ill health?

That level of financial security is hardly unacheivable, especially for someone with a massive income such as that of you, the amazing sales guru. You must rake in the big bucks.

For me no grays, just all or nothing with financial security
(BTW you misspelled unachievable).

PhilX

FDP said:

"That level of financial security is hardly unacheivable, especially for someone with a massive income such as that of you, the amazing sales guru. You must rake in the big bucks."

You easily overlook many factors. An example would be overselling. Sold myself out of a job when I "... cleaned out the warehouse" of tvs. You also overlooked the danger of monopolies.

PhilX

Philosophy Explorer wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 1:01 am Does it really exist? Can it be achieved?

One of the big goals in life, yet I don't believe it really exists. It's like getting to the top of the mountain, but you can easily fall down.

PhilX

In America, in Bangla Desh, and in Mozambique, if you fall off the mountain, of financial means, you're splat.

In Canada, Australia, and the rest of the civilized world, if you fall off the mountain top, you get caught by the social safety net.

So, to answer your questions: Tough luck being American and chasing the green bird of financial security. The maximum you can get there is chasing the blue bird of happiness, liberty and mom's apple pie. But financial security, no.

Blazing saddles can't even catch Financial Security there.

Like a Rolling Stone

Bob Dylan

Once upon a time you dressed so fine
Threw the bums a dime in your prime, didn't you?
People call say 'beware doll, you're bound to fall'
You thought they were all kidding you
You used to laugh about
Everybody that was hanging out
Now you don't talk so loud
Now you don't seem so proud
About having to be scrounging your next meal

How does it feel, how does it feel?
To be without a home
Like a complete unknown, like a rolling stone

Ahh you've gone to the finest schools, alright Miss Lonely
But you know you only used to get juiced in it
Nobody's ever taught you how to live out on the street
And now you're gonna have to get used to it
You say you never compromise
With the mystery tramp, but now you realize
He's not selling any alibis
As you stare into the vacuum of his eyes
And say do you want to make a deal?

How does it feel, how does it feel?
To be on your own, with no direction home
A complete unknown, like a rolling stone

Ah you never turned around to see the frowns
On the jugglers and the clowns when they all did tricks for you
You never understood that it ain't no good
You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you
You used to ride on a chrome horse with your diplomat
Who carried on his shoulder a Siamese cat
Ain't it hard when you discovered that
He really wasn't where it's at
After he took from you everything he could steal

How does it feel, how does it feel?
To have on your own, with no direction home
Like a complete unknown, like a rolling stone

Ahh princess on a steeple and all the pretty people
They're all drinking, thinking that they've got it made
Exchanging all precious gifts
But you better take your diamond ring, you better pawn it babe
You used to be so amused
At Napoleon in rags and the language that he used
Go to him he calls you, you can't refuse
When you ain't got nothing, you got nothing to lose
You're invisible now, you've got no secrets to conceal

How does it feel, ah how does it feel?
To be on your own, with no direction home
Like a complete unknown, like a rolling stone

Songwriters: Bob Dylan
Like a Rolling Stone lyrics © Audiam, Inc

This cat got a Nobel Prize for this and including many others like this lyrics.

Philosophy Explorer wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:12 pm FDP said:

"That level of financial security is hardly unacheivable, especially for someone with a massive income such as that of you, the amazing sales guru. You must rake in the big bucks."

You easily overlook many factors. An example would be overselling. Sold myself out of a job when I "... cleaned out the warehouse" of tvs. You also overlooked the danger of monopolies.

PhilX

You make it too easy to target your insecurities Phil. As for the routine bullshit response, meh, IDC.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:15 pm

Philosophy Explorer wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:12 pm FDP said:

"That level of financial security is hardly unacheivable, especially for someone with a massive income such as that of you, the amazing sales guru. You must rake in the big bucks."

You easily overlook many factors. An example would be overselling. Sold myself out of a job when I "... cleaned out the warehouse" of tvs. You also overlooked the danger of monopolies.

PhilX

You make it too easy to target your insecurities Phil. As for the routine bullshit response, meh, IDC.

So you don't have a care in the world. Not surprised.

PhilX

there are degrees of financial security

a billionaire might have his wealth reduced by a factor of thousand and still not have to worry about getting enough to eat - that is a lot of financial security

our farm could still produce enough to feed us even if there was no diesel or electricity available - that is not exactly financial security, but something like it

a minimum wage worker with a large extended family / social network (real not virtual) can be confident that if worst came to worst, she and her family can stay at an obnoxious cousin's basement

-1- wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:24 pm In America, in Bangla Desh, and in Mozambique, if you fall off the mountain, of financial means, you're splat.

In Canada, Australia, and the rest of the civilized world, if you fall off the mountain top, you get caught by the social safety net.

i helped a friend navigate America's safety net, its not that much worse than Canada's but far more paperwork intensive - so in many cases people who need it most cannot figure out how to get anything out of it

Kayla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:40 pm there are degrees of financial security

a billionaire might have his wealth reduced by a factor of thousand and still not have to worry about getting enough to eat - that is a lot of financial security

our farm could still produce enough to feed us even if there was no diesel or electricity available - that is not exactly financial security, but something like it

a minimum wage worker with a large extended family / social network (real not virtual) can be confident that if worst came to worst, she and her family can stay at an obnoxious cousin's basement

Here I disagree in our complicated world.

PhilX

Really? So if one person experinces a feeling of security about the finances when they have enough money to pay their bills and a reasonable belief that they will continue to have that, but someone else with equally reasonable expactation of being able to pay their future bills feels insecure, the security would appear to be less to do with the reasons and more to do with the feelings.

I wouldn't feel financially secure i I had all my cash tied up in a farm with an iffy diesel generator. That's got a lot to do with me not knowing how to farm, or fix a generator. By the time I starved to death the farm would surely be a wasteland except the parts that were on fire. Kayla would appear to be better at this stuff than I am though. If there's animals there, she would know which of them eat people, while I would just assume they all do and hide. She would likely know things like what a farm is worth, how it makes food and stuff, and how to not to get eaten by horses. She would therefore both have a reason to feel more secure than I, and the attendant feeling to go with it.

Perhaps life is darker for an itinerant sales drone who somehow is at risk of losing his job by selling all the stock in a warehouse. But realistically, good sales people earn big bucks and have good pensions, and when they sell a warehouse load of TVs they make a profit to buy more TVs with.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:06 pm Really? So if one person experinces a feeling of security about the finances when they have enough money to pay their bills and a reasonable belief that they will continue to have that, but someone else with equally reasonable expactation of being able to pay their future bills feels insecure, the security would appear to be less to do with the reasons and more to do with the feelings.

I wouldn't feel financially secure i I had all my cash tied up in a farm with an iffy diesel generator. That's got a lot to do with me not knowing how to farm, or fix a generator. By the time I starved to death the farm would surely be a wasteland except the parts that were on fire. Kayla would appear to be better at this stuff than I am though. If there's animals there, she would know which of them eat people, while I would just assume they all do and hide. She would likely know things like what a farm is worth, how it makes food and stuff, and how to not to get eaten by horses. She would therefore both have a reason to feel more secure than I, and the attendant feeling to go with it.

Perhaps life is darker for an itinerant sales drone who somehow is at risk of losing his job by selling all the stock in a warehouse. But realistically, good sales people earn big bucks and have good pensions, and when they sell a warehouse load of TVs they make a profit to buy more TVs with.

Nobody is financially secure. It's an illusion as there are thousands of factors in this world.

PhilX

Philosophy Explorer wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:12 pm Nobody is financially secure. It's an illusion as there are thousands of factors in this world.

PhilX

Explain.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:13 pm

Philosophy Explorer wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:12 pm Nobody is financially secure. It's an illusion as there are thousands of factors in this world.

PhilX

Explain.

Use that pea brain of yours.

PhilX