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Is the ongoing punishment of Adam and Eve justifiable?
Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 4:10 pm
by Greatest I am
Is the ongoing punishment of Adam and Eve justifiable?
Christian dogma says that Adam and Eve were murdered by neglect when God locked away the tree of life.
Eve was deceived by Satan and the talking serpent that God put in Eden. This caused the Original Sin concept that Christianity calls a happy fault and necessary to God’s plan.
Was gaining an education and a moral sense, which basically is what gaining knowledge is, justifiable to you?
Can you see yourself punishing your children for gaining an education and a moral sense the way God is punishing Adam and Eve to this day?
Regards
DL
Re: Is the ongoing punishment of Adam and Eve justifiable?
Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 5:17 pm
by Eodnhoj7
Greatest I am wrote: ↑Sat May 19, 2018 4:10 pm
Is the ongoing punishment of Adam and Eve justifiable?
Christian dogma says that Adam and Eve were murdered by neglect when God locked away the tree of life.
Eve was deceived by Satan and the talking serpent that God put in Eden. This caused the Original Sin concept that Christianity calls a happy fault and necessary to God’s plan.
Was gaining an education and a moral sense, which basically is what gaining knowledge is, justifiable to you?
Can you see yourself punishing your children for gaining an education and a moral sense the way God is punishing Adam and Eve to this day?
Regards
DL
If I see a tree and pull it apart to understand it, and in doing so destroy it, do I know the tree anymore?
Re: Is the ongoing punishment of Adam and Eve justifiable?
Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 5:34 pm
by Philosophy Explorer
Funny I don't see Adam and Eve around so I don't see any ongoing punishment for them. Are you referring to the concept of original sin?
PhilX
Re: Is the ongoing punishment of Adam and Eve justifiable?
Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 5:58 pm
by Greatest I am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sat May 19, 2018 5:17 pm
Greatest I am wrote: ↑Sat May 19, 2018 4:10 pm
Is the ongoing punishment of Adam and Eve justifiable?
Christian dogma says that Adam and Eve were murdered by neglect when God locked away the tree of life.
Eve was deceived by Satan and the talking serpent that God put in Eden. This caused the Original Sin concept that Christianity calls a happy fault and necessary to God’s plan.
Was gaining an education and a moral sense, which basically is what gaining knowledge is, justifiable to you?
Can you see yourself punishing your children for gaining an education and a moral sense the way God is punishing Adam and Eve to this day?
Regards
DL
If I see a tree and pull it apart to understand it, and in doing so destroy it, do I know the tree anymore?
Yes, in memory, and you gain understanding od all the trees.
What that has to do with the question is beyond me though.
Care to speak to the issues in the O.P. or explain your strange answer?
Regards
DL
Re: Is the ongoing punishment of Adam and Eve justifiable?
Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 6:00 pm
by Greatest I am
Philosophy Explorer wrote: ↑Sat May 19, 2018 5:34 pm
Funny I don't see Adam and Eve around so I don't see any ongoing punishment for them. Are you referring to the concept of original sin?
PhilX
That is what Christianity called the events in Eden, so yes, Original Sin.
The Jews read it as Original Virtue and I am not sure why Christianity reversed the moral of the story from our elevation to our fall.
Perhaps you have an idea about that.
Regards
DL
Re: Is the ongoing punishment of Adam and Eve justifiable?
Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 6:17 pm
by Philosophy Explorer
Greatest I am wrote: ↑Sat May 19, 2018 6:00 pm
Philosophy Explorer wrote: ↑Sat May 19, 2018 5:34 pm
Funny I don't see Adam and Eve around so I don't see any ongoing punishment for them. Are you referring to the concept of original sin?
PhilX
That is what Christianity called the events in Eden, so yes, Original Sin.
The Jews read it as Original Virtue and I am not sure why Christianity reversed the moral of the story from our elevation to our fall.
Perhaps you have an idea about that.
Regards
DL
I'm not the one to consult in this area.
PhilX
Re: Is the ongoing punishment of Adam and Eve justifiable?
Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 6:51 pm
by QuantumT
Are religious fables, without source in reality, really worth our time?
Re: Is the ongoing punishment of Adam and Eve justifiable?
Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 7:19 pm
by Greatest I am
Philosophy Explorer wrote: ↑Sat May 19, 2018 6:17 pm
Greatest I am wrote: ↑Sat May 19, 2018 6:00 pm
Philosophy Explorer wrote: ↑Sat May 19, 2018 5:34 pm
Funny I don't see Adam and Eve around so I don't see any ongoing punishment for them. Are you referring to the concept of original sin?
PhilX
That is what Christianity called the events in Eden, so yes, Original Sin.
The Jews read it as Original Virtue and I am not sure why Christianity reversed the moral of the story from our elevation to our fall.
Perhaps you have an idea about that.
Regards
DL
I'm not the one to consult in this area.
PhilX
??
Common sense is all you need to apply to the myth.
Regards
DL
Re: Is the ongoing punishment of Adam and Eve justifiable?
Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 7:22 pm
by Greatest I am
QuantumT wrote: ↑Sat May 19, 2018 6:51 pm
Are religious fables, without source in reality, really worth our time?
Given the damage that the Christian interpretation has cause with the ongoing misogyny created, I think that any discrediting of the Christian views women would applaud.
As the women in your family if equality is worth fighting for.
Regards
DL
Re: Is the ongoing punishment of Adam and Eve justifiable?
Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 7:38 pm
by Philosophy Explorer
Greatest I am wrote: ↑Sat May 19, 2018 7:19 pm
Philosophy Explorer wrote: ↑Sat May 19, 2018 6:17 pm
Greatest I am wrote: ↑Sat May 19, 2018 6:00 pm
That is what Christianity called the events in Eden, so yes, Original Sin.
The Jews read it as Original Virtue and I am not sure why Christianity reversed the moral of the story from our elevation to our fall.
Perhaps you have an idea about that.
Regards
DL
I'm not the one to consult in this area.
PhilX
??
Common sense is all you need to apply to the myth.
Regards
DL
Common sense tells me it's a fable not to get concerned with.
PhilX
Re: Is the ongoing punishment of Adam and Eve justifiable?
Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 8:16 pm
by Greatest I am
Then you show your corrupted morals.
Regards
DL
Re: Is the ongoing punishment of Adam and Eve justifiable?
Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 8:47 pm
by Philosophy Explorer
Greatest I am wrote: ↑Sat May 19, 2018 8:16 pm
Then you show your corrupted morals.
Regards
DL
Oxymoron
PhilX
Re: Is the ongoing punishment of Adam and Eve justifiable?
Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 12:42 am
by gaffo
Greatest I am wrote: ↑Sat May 19, 2018 4:10 pm
Christian dogma says that Adam and Eve were murdered by neglect when God locked away the tree of life.
not so. Christian dogma says that Adam/Eve sinned due to that other tree, and neglects to know of the other tree.
dogma equates the Tree of Knowledge with the Tree of Life, and in fact compounds the confusion by claiming the latter is in fact Jesus Christ (where that leaves the Jews - who knows).
Re: Is the ongoing punishment of Adam and Eve justifiable?
Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 12:46 am
by gaffo
Greatest I am wrote: ↑Sat May 19, 2018 6:00 pm
The Jews read it as Original Virtue
really? never heard this.
i doubt Saul had an original idea - including his of "original sin".
Greatest I am wrote: ↑Sat May 19, 2018 6:00 pm
and I am not sure why Christianity reversed the moral of the story from our elevation to our fall.
Perhaps you have an idea about that.
Regards
DL
Ihave always assumed it happened around 300-200 BC - latter Judaism.
Re: Is the ongoing punishment of Adam and Eve justifiable?
Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 12:48 am
by gaffo
Greatest I am wrote: ↑Sat May 19, 2018 7:19 pm
Philosophy Explorer wrote: ↑Sat May 19, 2018 6:17 pm
Greatest I am wrote: ↑Sat May 19, 2018 6:00 pm
That is what Christianity called the events in Eden, so yes, Original Sin.
The Jews read it as Original Virtue and I am not sure why Christianity reversed the moral of the story from our elevation to our fall.
Perhaps you have an idea about that.
Regards
DL
I'm not the one to consult in this area.
PhilX
??
Common sense is all you need to apply to the myth.
Regards
DL
commen sense is from a simple reading of Genesis - where "eyes were open, knowing oneself as naked "as Gods"".
clearly a Rise - not a fall.
PhilX