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So you don't just mean the simplest form on this forum?Philosophy Explorer wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:07 am I don't mean the simplest form discovered. I mean the simplest form period where it's impossible to have a simpler form of life which is proven by science.
There's a catch to this:Greta wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 12:50 pm It is a synthetic life from created by Craig Venter: https://www.sciencealert.com/this-machi ... re-reeling
It's debatable Harb.Harbal wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 12:32 pmSo you don't just mean the simplest form on this forum?Philosophy Explorer wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:07 am I don't mean the simplest form discovered. I mean the simplest form period where it's impossible to have a simpler form of life which is proven by science.
What's your definition of life? Without any specific def, why isn't Conway's game of life the answer to your question?Philosophy Explorer wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:07 am I don't mean the simplest form discovered. I mean the simplest form period where it's impossible to have a simpler form of life which is proven by science.
Donald Trump.Philosophy Explorer wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:07 am I don't mean the simplest form discovered. I mean the simplest form period where it's impossible to have a simpler form of life which is proven by science.
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How might you define life then that you offer that. Conway's game of life is not life any more than Milton Bradley's game of life is, it is just different physics. Has anybody found a lifeform in it? A Turing machine, yes, but that by itself is not life.wtf wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:57 pm What's your definition of life? Without any specific def, why isn't Conway's game of life the answer to your question?
Wasn't that my question? One needs to define life before proposing a candidate for the simplest form of life. And the definition of life is not 100% clear, even in biology. There are things like viruses that are in a gray area.Noax wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 12:11 pmHow might you define life then that you offer that. Conway's game of life is not life any more than Milton Bradley's game of life is, it is just different physics. Has anybody found a lifeform in it? A Turing machine, yes, but that by itself is not life.wtf wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:57 pm What's your definition of life? Without any specific def, why isn't Conway's game of life the answer to your question?
If one needs to define life before proceeding to the title question, one can offer a tentative definition to move on. Otherwise you're suggesting you have no answer here. You have a choice.wtf wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2017 2:39 amWasn't that my question? One needs to define life before proposing a candidate for the simplest form of life. And the definition of life is not 100% clear, even in biology. There are things like viruses that are in a gray area.Noax wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 12:11 pmHow might you define life then that you offer that. Conway's game of life is not life any more than Milton Bradley's game of life is, it is just different physics. Has anybody found a lifeform in it? A Turing machine, yes, but that by itself is not life.wtf wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:57 pm What's your definition of life? Without any specific def, why isn't Conway's game of life the answer to your question?
Surely in a world where people speculate that we ourselves are computer programs that may be running in some large computer in the sky, or that we might in the future upload our minds to a computer, it's not unreasonable to challenge the OP with the example of Conway's Life. One need not believe in simulation and uploading (I don't) to be aware that these ideas have a certain trendiness these days.
Quoting for the picture. Find what’s lively and you’ll find life. To be lively means to move, mind or body, and in fact life moves if only internally in biological processes, which is not to say that all that moves is alive, although in a sense we could say that. From this we can conclude that the simplest life is a big toe, toe-tappin.Harbal wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 12:32 pmSo you don't just mean the simplest form on this forum?Philosophy Explorer wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:07 am I don't mean the simplest form discovered. I mean the simplest form period where it's impossible to have a simpler form of life which is proven by science.