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Should Espionage Done in Peacetime Be Punishable by Death?
Posted: Tue May 23, 2017 7:45 am
by Gary Childress
China reacted to the revelation it had purged a network of CIA informants with a victory lap, boasting that the execution of a dozen spies within the last seven years was a triumph for its “anti-espionage activities.”
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/chi ... spartandhp
I sort of wonder if this isn't a ruse on the part of the Chinese government designed to discourage anyone from making further attempts. Maybe in reality they're simply in detention centers or something?
Or should espionage done during peacetime be punishable by death? Thoughts?
Re: Should Espionage Done in Peacetime Be Punishable by Death?
Posted: Tue May 23, 2017 1:18 pm
by Philosophy Explorer
Doesn't matter if it's peacetime or during war. Spying is against the interests of the invaded country. If it results in people getting killed in the invaded country, then the spy forfeits his or her life.
PhilX
Re: Should Espionage Done in Peacetime Be Punishable by Death?
Posted: Tue May 23, 2017 4:45 pm
by bobevenson
As a divinely inspired prophet, I can tell you that capital punishment or prisons of any kind should be immediately abolished. If somebody commits a crime, the government can take one of the following three actions:
Punishment
a) For revenge (serves no positive purpose).
b) For rehabilitation (unsupported by psychological evidence).
c) For deterrence (government exploitation).
Restitution
Unequal protection under the law.
Control
Positive action designed to prevent recurrence.
The only proper action is control.
Re: Should Espionage Done in Peacetime Be Punishable by Death?
Posted: Tue May 23, 2017 5:18 pm
by Philosophy Explorer
bobevenson wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2017 4:45 pm
As a divinely inspired prophet, I can tell you that capital punishment or prisons of any kind should be immediately abolished. If somebody commits a crime, the government can take one of the following three actions:
Punishment
a) For revenge (serves no positive purpose).
b) For rehabilitation (unsupported by psychological evidence).
c) For deterrence (government exploitation).
Restitution
Unequal protection under the law.
Control
Positive action designed to prevent recurrence.
The only proper action is control.
What do you mean by positive action?
PhilX
Re: Should Espionage Done in Peacetime Be Punishable by Death?
Posted: Tue May 23, 2017 5:30 pm
by bobevenson
Like restricting movement and activities or providing a structured environment, whatever it takes to prevent recurrence.
Re: Should Espionage Done in Peacetime Be Punishable by Death?
Posted: Tue May 23, 2017 5:46 pm
by FlashDangerpants
bobevenson wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2017 5:30 pm
Like restricting movement and activities or providing a structured environment, whatever it takes to prevent recurrence.
That sounds a bit like prison.
Re: Should Espionage Done in Peacetime Be Punishable by Death?
Posted: Tue May 23, 2017 8:16 pm
by bobevenson
No jail cells or anything like them, only the least oppressive actions to protect the public. Aren't you glad you've got a prophet on board?
Re: Should Espionage Done in Peacetime Be Punishable by Death?
Posted: Tue May 23, 2017 8:20 pm
by Philosophy Explorer
bobevenson wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2017 8:16 pm
No jail cells or anything like them, only the least oppressive actions to protect the public. Aren't you glad you've got a prophet on board?
We need concrete examples of what you're talking about.
PhilX
Re: Should Espionage Done in Peacetime Be Punishable by Death?
Posted: Tue May 23, 2017 8:42 pm
by bobevenson
I don't want to get into the nuts and bolts of a program, just the proper theoretical approach to it. That's all this forum can handle.
Re: Should Espionage Done in Peacetime Be Punishable by Death?
Posted: Tue May 23, 2017 8:45 pm
by Philosophy Explorer
bobevenson wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2017 8:42 pm
I don't want to get into the nuts and bolts of a program, just the proper theoretical approach to it. That's all this forum can handle.
You'll never make scientist of the year.
PhilX
Re: Should Espionage Done in Peacetime Be Punishable by Death?
Posted: Tue May 23, 2017 9:16 pm
by bobevenson
How about prophet of the past two thousand years?
Re: Should Espionage Done in Peacetime Be Punishable by Death?
Posted: Tue May 23, 2017 9:45 pm
by Philosophy Explorer
bobevenson wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2017 9:16 pm
How about prophet of the past two thousand years?
You're that old?
PhilX
Re: Should Espionage Done in Peacetime Be Punishable by Death?
Posted: Tue May 23, 2017 10:12 pm
by bobevenson
Well, to tell you the truth, I may be the only prophet to walk the face of the Earth since John on the isle of Patmos, who wrote the book of Revelation in 96 AD.
Re: Should Espionage Done in Peacetime Be Punishable by Death?
Posted: Tue May 23, 2017 11:53 pm
by Impenitent
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2017 7:45 am
China reacted to the revelation it had purged a network of CIA informants with a victory lap, boasting that the execution of a dozen spies within the last seven years was a triumph for its “anti-espionage activities.”
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/chi ... spartandhp
I sort of wonder if this isn't a ruse on the part of the Chinese government designed to discourage anyone from making further attempts. Maybe in reality they're simply in detention centers or something?
Or should espionage done during peacetime be punishable by death? Thoughts?
yes, when espionage is discovered, politicians and bureaucrats should be executed
-Imp
Re: Should Espionage Done in Peacetime Be Punishable by Death?
Posted: Thu May 25, 2017 9:02 am
by Gary Childress
Impenitent wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2017 11:53 pm
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2017 7:45 am
China reacted to the revelation it had purged a network of CIA informants with a victory lap, boasting that the execution of a dozen spies within the last seven years was a triumph for its “anti-espionage activities.”
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/chi ... spartandhp
I sort of wonder if this isn't a ruse on the part of the Chinese government designed to discourage anyone from making further attempts. Maybe in reality they're simply in detention centers or something?
Or should espionage done during peacetime be punishable by death? Thoughts?
yes, when espionage is discovered, politicians and bureaucrats should be executed
-Imp
Why? Isn't that being a little inhumane?