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I said, "A rose is a rose is a rose," which means it would smell as sweet no matter what name you use to call it by.
Where are the words? In the air? But where?
Similarly where is the sound? Can you see it? No.
Where is the magnetism, heat, cold, electromagnetism, feeling, understanding, thinking etc? We cannot actually see all that, it is not visible.
So there is something in this world, a property that we simply cannot understand.
That property can help explain God fully but our minds cannot comprehend that property. Why?
Because we are the physical according to our spirit, and so have limitations. We are visible, God is not.
The spirit in us is God, boundless. Which would be why we can think, feel, understand etc. - and no limits.
Physical understands physical.
Spiritual understands spirit and physical because spirit is all powerful God.
We are somewhat spirit too, and so we ponder about God.
God understands us fully, we don't understand God fully.
God is all knowing, "Omniscient." We are not.

Beauty wrote:I said, "A rose is a rose is a rose," which means it would smell as sweet no matter what name you use to call it by.
Where are the words? In the air? But where?
Similarly where is the sound? Can you see it? No.
Where is the magnetism, heat, cold, electromagnetism, feeling, understanding, thinking etc? We cannot actually see all that, it is not visible.
So there is something in this world, a property that we simply cannot understand.
That property can help explain God fully but our minds cannot comprehend that property. Why?
Because we are the physical according to our spirit, and so have limitations. We are visible, God is not.
The spirit in us is God, boundless. Which would be why we can think, feel, understand etc. - and no limits.
Physical understands physical.
Spiritual understands spirit and physical because spirit is all powerful God.
We are somewhat spirit too, and so we ponder about God.
God understands us fully, we don't understand God fully.
God is all knowing, "Omniscient." We are not.

If we are visible, and God is not, then God cannot be in his creation. In something implies separation. There is no thing in no thing.


No ''thing'' known has ever been seen.

There's only 'no thing' seeing/knowing.

Neither in nor out, ...for where is in /out but here now....here is undivided wholeness. Always this NOWHERE.


In saying there is no 'thing', the 'thing' that is negated is known.

Apart from the 'things' known, there is no 'thing'.

The 'thing' that is known, is not what thought thinks it is.

Why God cannot be understood totally by us? is because there is no us, this is not known by a someone, it is the knowing, we are that knowing.

Beauty wrote:I said, "A rose is a rose is a rose," which means it would smell as sweet no matter what name you use to call it by.
Where are the words? In the air? But where?
Similarly where is the sound? Can you see it? No.
Where is the magnetism, heat, cold, electromagnetism, feeling, understanding, thinking etc? We cannot actually see all that, it is not visible.
So there is something in this world, a property that we simply cannot understand.
That property can help explain God fully but our minds cannot comprehend that property. Why?
Because we are the physical according to our spirit, and so have limitations. We are visible, God is not.
The spirit in us is God, boundless. Which would be why we can think, feel, understand etc. - and no limits.
Physical understands physical.
Spiritual understands spirit and physical because spirit is all powerful God.
We are somewhat spirit too, and so we ponder about God.
God understands us fully, we don't understand God fully.
God is all knowing, "Omniscient." We are not.

If I can't fully understand the OP, how the hell do you expect me to understand God?

PhilX

It doesn't leave much to discuss, but I like the OP.

The God that can be totally understood is not the God.

-- The Tao

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tao

Reflex wrote:It doesn't leave much to discuss, but I like the OP.

Thank you!

wtf wrote:The God that can be totally understood is not the God.

-- The Tao

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tao

Actually God would still be God, totally understood or not, for he is not defined by us understanding him or not.
We being lower deities, would not be we, if we could understand God. Not that we would be like God or God if we could understand him. No, we just cannot understand him, us being lower minds than him.
So it is not a matter of can we or not understand God.
Being lower deities we just cannot understand God fully, we can only understand somewhat, up to our lower mind's potential.

Philosophy Explorer wrote:

Beauty wrote:I said, "A rose is a rose is a rose," which means it would smell as sweet no matter what name you use to call it by.
Where are the words? In the air? But where?
Similarly where is the sound? Can you see it? No.
Where is the magnetism, heat, cold, electromagnetism, feeling, understanding, thinking etc? We cannot actually see all that, it is not visible.
So there is something in this world, a property that we simply cannot understand.
That property can help explain God fully but our minds cannot comprehend that property. Why?
Because we are the physical according to our spirit, and so have limitations. We are visible, God is not.
The spirit in us is God, boundless. Which would be why we can think, feel, understand etc. - and no limits.
Physical understands physical.
Spiritual understands spirit and physical because spirit is all powerful God.
We are somewhat spirit too, and so we ponder about God.
God understands us fully, we don't understand God fully.
God is all knowing, "Omniscient." We are not.

If I can't fully understand the OP, how the hell do you expect me to understand God?

PhilX

Do you understand you?

Dontaskme wrote:

Philosophy Explorer wrote:

Beauty wrote:I said, "A rose is a rose is a rose," which means it would smell as sweet no matter what name you use to call it by.
Where are the words? In the air? But where?
Similarly where is the sound? Can you see it? No.
Where is the magnetism, heat, cold, electromagnetism, feeling, understanding, thinking etc? We cannot actually see all that, it is not visible.
So there is something in this world, a property that we simply cannot understand.
That property can help explain God fully but our minds cannot comprehend that property. Why?
Because we are the physical according to our spirit, and so have limitations. We are visible, God is not.
The spirit in us is God, boundless. Which would be why we can think, feel, understand etc. - and no limits.
Physical understands physical.
Spiritual understands spirit and physical because spirit is all powerful God.
We are somewhat spirit too, and so we ponder about God.
God understands us fully, we don't understand God fully.
God is all knowing, "Omniscient." We are not.

If I can't fully understand the OP, how the hell do you expect me to understand God?

PhilX

Do you understand you?

How does that relate to the OP?

PhilX

Philosophy Explorer wrote:

Dontaskme wrote:

Philosophy Explorer wrote:
If I can't fully understand the OP, how the hell do you expect me to understand God?

PhilX

Do you understand you?

How does that relate to the OP?

PhilX

Who's the who who is trying to understand what it cannot understand? Do you understand that you?

Dontaskme wrote:

Philosophy Explorer wrote:

Dontaskme wrote:
Do you understand you?

How does that relate to the OP?

PhilX

Who's the who who is trying to understand what it cannot understand? Do you understand that you?

Same question.

PhilX

Philosophy Explorer wrote:

Dontaskme wrote:

Philosophy Explorer wrote:
How does that relate to the OP?

PhilX

Who's the who who is trying to understand what it cannot understand? Do you understand that you?

Same question.

PhilX

What is it you want to understand. ?

Does the you in you need to understand itself in order to be you, or is it just being you effortlessly right now...perfectly you, all present and correct?

Philosophy Explorer wrote:

Dontaskme wrote:

Philosophy Explorer wrote:
If I can't fully understand the OP, how the hell do you expect me to understand God?

PhilX

Do you understand you?

How does that relate to the OP?

PhilX

LOL! It doesn't, but it's a great question for anybody.

Another good question is, "Who are you before thoughts enter into the mind?"

Beauty wrote:I said, "A rose is a rose is a rose," which means it would smell as sweet no matter what name you use to call it by.
Where are the words? In the air? But where?.

God is a human conceptual invention. Since there are many people, there are many separate inventions. Since God explains nothing, the definitions are stretched beyond reason, confused and incompatible one with the other.
Why would such a state of affairs offer coherence?

Reflex wrote:

Another good question is, "Who are you before thoughts enter into the mind?"

Yeah I like that one too. It's like there are two you's.

There's the you that's prior to thought. and there's the you that is thought. You that's prior to thought has to be in order for thought to appear. But the prior you doesn't know it's you until the thought you appears. So the prior you that is prior to you is in fact the only you there is because the thought is appearing in you.

Doh!!