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the US if you make the gun yourself? Or if you like, you can get a gun-making kit and build yourself a gun and no law says you have to register it. Totally legal. So much for gun control.

PhilX

Thanks for the info! Really surprising, even in New York city.

Necromancer wrote:Thanks for the info! Really surprising, even in New York city.

Just found out about it today. Never heard about it before which makes me wonder why the media hasn't covered it.
I'm expecting a big discussion on the forums about this.

PhilX

The U.S. Federal Government is prohibited by law from establishing a searchable computer data base to track gun ownership: "A computerized system is strictly limited by federal law that prohibits the creation of a searchable database based on firearms' purchasers."
-USA Today

Thank God for the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution!

bobevenson wrote:The U.S. Federal Government is prohibited by law from establishing a searchable computer data base to track gun ownership: "A computerized system is strictly limited by federal law that prohibits the creation of a searchable database based on firearms' purchasers."
-USA Today

Thank God for the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution!

Technically, on this thread Bob, we're talking about kits used to make guns, not gun ownership itself. It's a loophole in the law.

PhilX

bobevenson wrote:It doesn't matter whether you make a gun or buy a gun, the government has no way of establishing ownership of the 300 million guns in America, thank God for the National Rifle Association and other gun advocates.

You're deliberately overlooking state law. Here's an example from the state of NJ (thanks to NRA):

https://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/state-g ... ew-jersey/

"Laws on Purchase, Possession and Carrying of Firearms

Purchase
Rifles and Shotguns

It is unlawful to sell, give, transfer, assign, or otherwise dispose of or receive, purchase, or otherwise acquire a rifle or shotgun, other than an antique rifle or shotgun, unless the purchaser, assignee, donee, receiver, or holder is licensed as a dealer under New Jersey law or possesses a valid Firearms Purchasers Identification Card (FID), and first exhibits the FID to the seller, donor, transferrer, or assignor, and the purchaser, assignee, donee, receiver, or holder signs a written certification form that identifies the purchaser, his or her address and FID or dealer’s number, and states he or she presently is not disqualified from purchase.

A person is not restricted as to the number of rifles or shotguns they may purchase, provided they have a valid FID and the certification form requirements are met. The FID is required for private or dealer purchases.

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Possession
It is unlawful to knowingly possess any handgun, including any antique handgun, without first having obtained a Permit to Carry, and it is unlawful to knowingly possess any rifle or shotgun without having first obtained a Firearms Purchaser Identification Card (FID), however, no Permit to Carry or FID is required:

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Carrying
It is unlawful to knowingly have in your possession a:

Handgun, including any antique handgun, without first obtaining a Permit to Carry. No distinction is drawn between carrying openly or concealed.

Rifle or shotgun without first obtaining a FID card. It is Illegal to carry a loaded shotgun or rifle in any vehicle, or to shoot from any vehicle or across any road.

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Antiques and Replicas
“Antique Firearm” means any rifle or shotgun incapable of being fired or discharged; or which does not fire fixed ammunition, regardless of date of manufacture; or was manufactured before 1898 for which cartridge ammunition is not commercially available, and is possessed as a curiosity or ornament or for its historical significance or value.

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Machine Guns
A machine gun is any firearm, mechanism, or instrument not requiring that the trigger be pressed for each shot and having a reservoir, belt or other means of storing and carrying ammunition which can be loaded into the firearm, mechanism, or instrument and fired.

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Restricted Firearms
New Jersey law restricts the ownership of certain semi-automatic and other firearms based upon their military appearance. A specific list of restricted “assault firearms” is maintained by the New Jersey State Police. It includes many widely available firearms, and is subject to change and modification. Contact the New Jersey State Police for Information regarding which firearms are “assault firearms.”

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Preemption
Court precedent holds that the state legislature generally preempts the field of firearms law.

Range Protection
An owner of a handgun, rifle, shotgun, skeet shooting or trapshooting range in this State shall be immune from liability where the liability is based upon noise resulting from normal operation of the range.

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Miscellaneous Provisions
It is unlawful to discharge any incendiary or tracer ammunition, except for law enforcement or military purposes except that non-incendiary tracer shotgun ammunition may be used on trap and skeet ranges for target shooting purposes.

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PhilX

Philosophy Explorer wrote:the US if you make the gun yourself? Or if you like, you can get a gun-making kit and build yourself a gun and no law says you have to register it. Totally legal. So much for gun control.

PhilX

Can you cite that information?

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

Philosophy Explorer wrote:the US if you make the gun yourself? Or if you like, you can get a gun-making kit and build yourself a gun and no law says you have to register it. Totally legal. So much for gun control.

PhilX

Can you cite that information?

It wasn't this particular article, but the information's the same. If you want to do a search, try gun-making kits laws:

https://www.google.com/amp/fusion.net/s ... -home/amp/

PhilX

PS I checked out this article further and it has more details so you're getting more in the bargain.

In Pa.

http://www.pafoa.org/law/

Philosophy Explorer wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

Philosophy Explorer wrote:the US if you make the gun yourself? Or if you like, you can get a gun-making kit and build yourself a gun and no law says you have to register it. Totally legal. So much for gun control.

PhilX

Can you cite that information?

It wasn't this particular article, but the information's the same. If you want to do a search, try gun-making kits laws:

https://www.google.com/amp/fusion.net/s ... -home/amp/

PhilX

PS I checked out this article further and it has more details so you're getting more in the bargain.

Why don't you EVER read what you link.
FROM YOUR OWN LINK:'
"Anyone can build their own gun at home, as long as they are legally able to own one."

thedoc wrote:In Pa.

http://www.pafoa.org/law/

Thos PAs are crazy toc toc!!!

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

Philosophy Explorer wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:
Can you cite that information?

It wasn't this particular article, but the information's the same. If you want to do a search, try gun-making kits laws:

https://www.google.com/amp/fusion.net/s ... -home/amp/

PhilX

PS I checked out this article further and it has more details so you're getting more in the bargain.

Why don't you EVER read what you link.
FROM YOUR OWN LINK:'
"Anyone can build their own gun at home, as long as they are legally able to own one."

You haven't read the article well. Here's the part that actually makes it legal for anyone:

"It all goes back to one very special part. The lower receiver is the part of the firearm that makes a gun a gun—the part that gets stamped with a serial number, and that requires a background check. It connects all the moving parts of the gun and makes it shoot. If you purchase what’s called an “unfinished lower receiver,” one that still requires a few extra holes to be drilled out, it’s not a gun yet, so you’re buying a hunk of metal like any other, according to federal gun laws. No background check necessary."

The kit lets you drill those holes yourself. This means you can make the gun for yourself without having to register it nor serialize it. And this is all legal.

PhilX

PhilX

Philosophy Explorer wrote:

bobevenson wrote:It doesn't matter whether you make a gun or buy a gun, the government has no way of establishing ownership of the 300 million guns in America, thank God for the National Rifle Association and other gun advocates.

You're deliberately overlooking state law.

I'm telling you that the federal government does not have the ability to track gun ownership as mandated by congress, and if the federal government can't do it, I guarantee you that the states don't have a snowball's chance in hell of doing it!

Philosophy Explorer wrote:the US if you make the gun yourself? Or if you like, you can get a gun-making kit and build yourself a gun and no law says you have to register it. Totally legal. So much for gun control.

PhilX

Who cares?