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GOD is a concept.

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:06 pm
by Dontaskme
A concept is not what God is.

God's existence doesn't need you.

There is absolutely no proof or evidence whatsoever that the SOURCE of all that is ever intended becoming a self that idolised itself.

http://elizabethseer.com/2015/11/gods-e ... -need-you/

Re: GOD is a concept.

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:18 pm
by Hobbes' Choice
There is no warrant for asserting that God is the source of all there is, as there is no warrant for saying there is a source for all there is.

Re: GOD is a concept.

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:57 pm
by Dontaskme
Hobbes' Choice wrote:There is no warrant for asserting that God is the source of all there is, as there is no warrant for saying there is a source for all there is.
And that's why there is no you to know anything. Source too is a concept.

So where do concepts come from? They're definitely appearing right here and now on this blank computer screen, so there we have it, hey presto, there it is right there, the source, that empty blank space, wow, what do you think of the source now? the stuff that appears from source is made of source, coz without source there is no stuff, and without stuff there is no source, from source to source and endless spring.

The sourceless source, aka causeless cause in effect... as an illusory show of light and sound.

Re: GOD is a concept.

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:18 pm
by tullip
Hello,

When can you be really sure of anything?

God and believe is about believing.

I think God is definitely a concept. God is the concept and the solution for anything unknown. The concept of God gives people insurance and confidence, reason for unknown things.

There is no prove for seeing God as a concept, because it existed when people started existing. At first there were multiple gods, again for giving a reason for unexpected events such as a storm or a failed harvest. After that there was only one God that created earth, because how else did the world start existing?

It's just... people make concepts, people use words to create concepts and to communicate, and if you explain something to someone, in words, it's a concept, because it starts existing when you talk about it. And it's a whole other discussion if God exists or not, but yes, it's a concept.

Re: GOD is a concept.

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:38 pm
by Hobbes' Choice
Dontaskme wrote:
Hobbes' Choice wrote:There is no warrant for asserting that God is the source of all there is, as there is no warrant for saying there is a source for all there is.
And that's why there is no you to know anything. Source too is a concept.

So where do concepts come from? They're definitely appearing right here and now on this blank computer screen, so there we have it, hey presto, there it is right there, the source, that empty blank space, wow, what do you think of the source now? the stuff that appears from source is made of source, coz without source there is no stuff, and without stuff there is no source, from source to source and endless spring.

The sourceless source, aka causeless cause in effect... as an illusory show of light and sound.
All concepts are humans conceits including god too.

Re: GOD is a concept.

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 6:35 am
by Dontaskme
Hobbes' Choice wrote:
All concepts are humans conceits including god too.
Man wanted the spotlight, and the universe gave man the spotlight.

Re: GOD is a concept.

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 8:19 am
by Dontaskme
tullip wrote:Hello,

When can you be really sure of anything?
All that can be known is that I am, everything that comes after that is a fiction, namely, my own assumptions based on memory and thoughts, all fictional characters, superimposed on or over what is already here.
tullip wrote:God and believe is about believing.
God is just a Synonym for Everything & Nothing..aka Oneness. Thinking makes no thing every thing which is actually not a thing...or NO THING. Not nothingness literally, which is impossible,so lets be clear on this, if there's just EVERYTHING then there can be no other thing, it's all one...aka not a thing. Things are thoughts, which are in essence the same no thing or oneness giving birth to the illusion of apparent other things existing apart from it. Thoughts create the illusion of duality where there is none.


Even the atheist thinks of God because he believes God does not exist. There is no difference between a belief in the existence of God and a disbelief, because even disbelief is a belief, and both beliefs focus on God. God is alive in a belief and even in disbelief as well. If God were not alive in disbelief, then disbelief would not exist. Such is the power of the God concept. Concepts give birth to things where there are none, without the concept no thing would exist. Therefore knowledge is born, not the I am. Knowledge is not the I am, the I am is prior to knowledge. Knowledge could not have appeared if not for the I am. Knowledge didn't create the I am. I am is with or without knowledge, therefore all knowledge is a superimposed artificial interpreted representation of what already exists using concepts. I am became I am this or I am that. But the I am is neither this nor that, it stands alone completed naked and unborn.
Man the concept takes that concept to be something real in and of itself, it takes claim of something that's not actually there. The name stuck and the concept was ingrained into the mind, the mind was thus born. However, the mind that gets stuck in it's own groove, can just as easy get unstuck by a simple shift in perception. In that it can see that the one looking through every creatures eye is the same one eye looking at itself from a different perspective.
tullip wrote:I think God is definitely a concept. God is the concept and the solution for anything unknown. The concept of God gives people insurance and confidence, reason for unknown things.
Man in his not-knowing wanted to know, and so invented language that became knowledge - life for the human concept.. programmed it's own illusory reality show of self and other from there on in. Man worshipped the false concepts aka idols more than the gift of just being pure aliveness one without a second, and in his arrogance and ignorance he mistook the unreal for the real, favouring the unreal I over the real I of no thing...aka everything.
tullip wrote:There is no prove for seeing God as a concept, because it existed when people started existing. At first there were multiple gods, again for giving a reason for unexpected events such as a storm or a failed harvest. After that there was only one God that created earth, because how else did the world start existing?
If there's just everything and nothing then there was no beginning, and where there's no beginning there's no end. So nothing got started, nothing ever happened, nothing ever moved, reality is a synonym for dream, everything arises from nothing nowhere, is nothing nowhere, and returns to nothing nowhere. Emptiness is form, form is emptiness.
tullip wrote:It's just... people make concepts, people use words to create concepts and to communicate, and if you explain something to someone, in words, it's a concept, because it starts existing when you talk about it. And it's a whole other discussion if God exists or not, but yes, it's a concept.
For the sake of communication things are born, aka mentally constructed words. In truth no thing was ever born. You are, but you are that which is not a thing born, you are the unborn of which things are born via the mental construction aka concept, only the mind is born not you.That which is born are appearances only, they come and go from no-thing, are no thing and return to no-thing. The no-thing is the constant you. Some call it god, or awareness, or beingness, or aliveness, etc etc...Although appearances do appear as if they are some thing, as evidenced in experience and belief , the experiencer and the believer is the you that was never born, aka the I am that had to be there prior to every experience or belief. But everything that manifests is made out of the same stuff it's manifesting in which is empty space. Clarity is in being able to understand that empty principle.

Re: GOD is a concept.

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:32 am
by Hobbes' Choice
Dontaskme wrote:
Hobbes' Choice wrote:
All concepts are humans conceits including god too.
Man wanted the spotlight, and the universe gave man the spotlight.
More nonsense.

Re: GOD is a concept.

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:43 am
by Greta
DAM, let's just say we've already been through my disagreements and after taking a few swipes at each other we part ways.

I'm curious, though. If you don't mind me asking, how did you come to have these views? Much of it seems based on new age thinking such as Alan Watts (old new age :), Russell Brand, John Hagelin and various 'What the Bleep Would We Know" type contributors. Were you part of a spiritualist group of some kind? What were your influences?

Re: GOD is a concept.

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 7:04 am
by HexHammer
Dontaskme wrote:A concept is not what God is.

God's existence doesn't need you.

There is absolutely no proof or evidence whatsoever that the SOURCE of all that is ever intended becoming a self that idolised itself.
Incoherent babble!

Re: GOD is a concept.

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 9:42 am
by Reflex
Greta wrote:DAM, let's just say we've already been through my disagreements and after taking a few swipes at each other we part ways.

I'm curious, though. If you don't mind me asking, how did you come to have these views? Much of it seems based on new age thinking such as Alan Watts (old new age :), Russell Brand, John Hagelin and various 'What the Bleep Would We Know" type contributors. Were you part of a spiritualist group of some kind? What were your influences?
What difference does it make?

Re: GOD is a concept.

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 11:43 am
by Dontaskme
Greta wrote:DAM, let's just say we've already been through my disagreements and after taking a few swipes at each other we part ways.

I'm curious, though. If you don't mind me asking, how did you come to have these views? Much of it seems based on new age thinking such as Alan Watts (old new age :), Russell Brand, John Hagelin and various 'What the Bleep Would We Know" type contributors. Were you part of a spiritualist group of some kind? What were your influences?
No I don't mind you asking, I like being asked, but please remember, your not asking me, your asking yourself, because it's you and only you that's wants to know. aka the ego mind, the one that only thinks it exits.. :wink: Life doesn't want to know anything, it's already this immediate knowing one with the knowing.

No, I've never been part of a spiritual group. I'm one of those lucky ones that thinks for itself. I first started having Nondual glimpses when I was about 7 years old. That was before I even knew what the word Spirituality or Nonduality meant.
The thing to remember here is that this kind of thing just happens. It just happened to me, that I started having Nondual glimpses. I did not intend this to happen, it happened as and through my body mind mechanism. Those people that never have Nondual glimpses who go around believing the world is real and they exist as a real person in that world just means that Nondual glimpses have not happened to those people yet...not that it will never happen to them, it's just not happened yet.

This knowledge is not old or new. It can be realised right here and now in the only place there is, it can happen in a spontaneous instant right now. And it won't be the you that made it happen, it happens or not happens as and through the body mind mechahism, which is the one and only common denominator we all share as one life living itself as and through each mechanism.

I then had a really big final epiphany / shift in perception when I was about 20 years old, where I realised if I exist now, then I must have always existed, but not me the human being, but the one who is aware of the human being. This again just happened out of the blue from nowhere. I didn't bring that realisation about by doing a practice to bring that realisation to me, I didn't get it or go to it, it came to me uninvited, it just happened.

So then I was obviously and naturally drawn to reading Nondual literature - and in that I saw that other people were having the exact same thoughts about their reality as me, and this had been going on for centuries - and that this knowledge like all knowledge was recorded in the form of books, and by looking back at the recorded Nondual knowledge - I was able to make sense of what I thought myself to be. Nondual literature was the only knowledge that made any real sense to me. Everything else was about ego, and I knew instinctively that ego was the greatest lie that ever spun out of the web of life.

The key to living with effortless bliss and joy, your natural birthright, is to die before you die and live forever in peace and harmony of unconditional love...and to know that pain and suffering still arise, but what you are at the centre is the I that is never effected by the storm...it's such a beautiful truth.

Re: GOD is a concept.

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 11:49 am
by Dontaskme
Greta, that's what's meant by the following quote...

The wild geese do not intend to cast their reflection,
The water has no mind to receive their image.


There is no thing here but the mind of thought, both invisible. In visible.

Intention is the rider of the will...which is boundlessly free.

Re: GOD is a concept.

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 12:58 pm
by Hobbes' Choice
Dontaskme wrote:Greta, that's what's meant by the following quote...

The wild geese do not intend to cast their reflection,
The water has no mind to receive their image.

Makes perfect sense.
That there are geese in flight casting a reflection is of interest only to the perceiver.

There is no thing here but the mind of thought, both invisible. In visible.

Intention is the rider of the will...which is boundlessly free.

Word Salad.

Re: GOD is a concept.

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 8:38 pm
by Belinda
Is nature the only thing that is the cause of itself?