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If you care to read I can tell you a story soiled with too much blood, it is a story that explains the world, and the existence of each and every single one of us, whether we are dead or living.
In the beginning there was nothing, no colours or shades. In nothingness, existence became awake. Nothing perceived what was, sensed everything and became aware. And as it became aware it has begun to think. It thought of being, of differences, of thinking itself, of movements, of similarities.
Nothing saw that it was no longer nothing. Ideas and groups of thoughts proved that the current Nothing was much different from what nothing really is and God came to be after much time, time shrouded in mist for all beings.
Nothing became the Universe, or all-existence, a space sprawling towards all sides like rays beaming from a Sun, a darkness completely empty and with no bounds or constrictions. Outside of it, God finite in his infinity became the first being in time. Living or not, without body nor parts. A singular specter, aware of everything and therefore all knowing, controlling everything and therefore all powerful.
Thus, the Holy Ghost was completely separate of nothing. Time and existence began together with the Universe. God became an observer of his creation, of himself as he changed, of Life that he created and Death that he destroyed.

Ad. I - Holiness, what is holy. We are all created, and we should consider existence sacred. And so I have explained what is holy.
Ad. II - This short story explains the creation of the World and the existence of a supernatural being - God. A being different, a specter without a body of his own. Able to create any body it wished for itself. It also introduces any reader to the concept of Heaven or an afterlife.
Ad. III "Heaven" - All of us humans, might be granted the miracle of becoming able to exist without our body. This is something that God decides personally for each and all of us, judging our actions, thoughts and decisions in order to create a true and honourable answer whether we are worthy of living on forever. Able to enjoy everything life and existence has to offer on for an eternity in which we are as free as we are in our life's.
Ad. IV - I believe it is safe for us to consider Heaven as a continuation of our life. Death is irrelevant and means only the death of our body as all of us are granted only one on the day of our birth.

Honestly, this is not creationism in a nutshell. This is the very bottom of the well, clear and logical statements, truths and facts picked out of everything else and formed into a coherent writing. It's religion v.XXI, if I may say so. Nooone ever bothered to fix the writings that were already present so here I am.

It's just our luck you're too modest to blow your own horn.

Gabriel wrote:In nothingness, existence became awake.

So that's the first big stumbling block for me. That sentence just seems like nonsense.

Terrapin Station wrote:

Gabriel wrote:In nothingness, existence became awake.

So that's the first big stumbling block for me. That sentence just seems like nonsense.

There is God and there is nothing beside It. So It is, somehow, in nothing. And It becomes awake, leaves nothing. (Realistically, so really, quite logically, sleeping God is no different from nothing. But when he wakes, he becomes something in relation to nothing!) Thinks about being something else than nothing. Therefore existence/God (Makes sense.) became awake in nothingness. It only seems like nonsense. It is a very misty subject but I am pretty happy with what I wrote.

Skip wrote:It's just our luck you're too modest to blow your own horn.

To create a horn of your own, it's a deed and not a simple action indeed. Modesty is a virtue, we avoid embellishments thanks to it.

Eureka!

Gabriel wrote:There is God and there is nothing beside It.

I'm an atheist, by the way.

Anyway . . .

So It is, somehow, in nothing.

So you were saying that "there's something 'in nothingness."

That still doesn't really make sense of the phrase "in nothingness." Nothingness couldn't contain something for something to be "in it." It would have to be something for that to obtain. But if' it's something, it's not nothingness.

sleeping God is no different from nothing.

Again, this makes no sense. Nothing can't have properties.

I'll leave it at that for the moment. I don't want there to be 50 things you need to clear up.

Terrapin Station wrote:Nothingness couldn't contain something for something to be "in it." It would have to be something for that to obtain.

Correct, absolutely true. That's why I believe, or that's why I think, that God is nothing. Nothing has no properties and is. It does not contain God nor anything or anyone else. God is, he has no properties and does not contain anything. The something in nothing is nothing. There is nothing within nothing. Now, realize that nothing is and contains one single property. It exists! And is not nothing anymore because of the fact that it exists! God becomes awake as a Nothing that exists and is aware of existing.

Gabriel wrote:Nothing has no properties and is.

And is?

Nothing has no properties nor anything at all. It is not as well, because it is no thing.

Nothing isn't. -> It can contain nothing without becoming something because of what nothing is. -> So we have nothing and a Nothing within that will become God. -> Nothing becomes God as it becomes apparent that nothing is. -> It becomes apparent that nothing is when it starts containing nothing.

For nothing to become something, it would need to change into something. How would change occur? Change would occur when nothing would first start containing nothing within it's own non-existence. There is non-existence within non-existence. And because of that there is existence.

There is nothing. Absolute and utter isn't.

It has no properties and cannot do. It is singular.

Nothing can be in nothing. Nothing is in nothing. Nothing changes through being in nothing. And nothing changes through containing nothing.

Nothing v.1 -> Nothing v.2 and Nothing/God.

TSBU wrote:

We have a screen. There is nothing on the screen, it is all black. Then dimensions are shown on the screen. The darkness portraying nothing becomes 3-dimensional. An emptiness is outlined inside this 3D nothing, and nothing fills that outline. So we have two 3D nothings. The first nothing is the nothing that becomes the Universe. The second nothing is the nothing that becomes God. And we have a movie explaining how God became awake and how the world was created.

What is empty can become empty. Because what is empty is empty. If emptiness is empty then clearly, it became empty by being empty.

Gabriel wrote: We have a screen. There is nothing on the screen, it is all black. Then dimensions are shown on the screen. The darkness portraying nothing becomes 3-dimensional. An emptiness is outlined inside this 3D nothing, and nothing fills that outline. So we have two 3D nothings. The first nothing is the nothing that becomes the Universe. The second nothing is the nothing that becomes God. And we have a movie explaining how God became awake and how the world was created.

What is empty can become empty. Because what is empty is empty. If emptiness is empty then clearly, it became empty by being empty.

Word salad that is empty of meaning.

Ah, but look at the satisfaction it gives him - and zero calories!

Gabriel wrote:If you care to read I can tell you a story soiled with too much blood, it is a story that explains the world, and the existence of each and every single one of us, whether we are dead or living.
In the beginning there was nothing, no colours or shades. In nothingness, existence became awake. Nothing perceived what was, sensed everything and became aware. And as it became aware it has begun to think. It thought of being, of differences, of thinking itself, of movements, of similarities.
Nothing saw that it was no longer nothing. Ideas and groups of thoughts proved that the current Nothing was much different from what nothing really is and God came to be after much time, time shrouded in mist for all beings.
Nothing became the Universe, or all-existence, a space sprawling towards all sides like rays beaming from a Sun, a darkness completely empty and with no bounds or constrictions. Outside of it, God finite in his infinity became the first being in time. Living or not, without body nor parts. A singular specter, aware of everything and therefore all knowing, controlling everything and therefore all powerful.
Thus, the Holy Ghost was completely separate of nothing. Time and existence began together with the Universe. God became an observer of his creation, of himself as he changed, of Life that he created and Death that he destroyed.

Ad. I - Holiness, what is holy. We are all created, and we should consider existence sacred. And so I have explained what is holy.
Ad. II - This short story explains the creation of the World and the existence of a supernatural being - God. A being different, a specter without a body of his own. Able to create any body it wished for itself. It also introduces any reader to the concept of Heaven or an afterlife.
Ad. III "Heaven" - All of us humans, might be granted the miracle of becoming able to exist without our body. This is something that God decides personally for each and all of us, judging our actions, thoughts and decisions in order to create a true and honourable answer whether we are worthy of living on forever. Able to enjoy everything life and existence has to offer on for an eternity in which we are as free as we are in our life's.
Ad. IV - I believe it is safe for us to consider Heaven as a continuation of our life. Death is irrelevant and means only the death of our body as all of us are granted only one on the day of our birth.

I'm atheist AND nihilist. You are presenting a problem by beginning with "God" undefined but insinuating the religious supreme entity most who are religious default to think that WE are somehow unusually 'special' with respect to nothing. Can you try to start again without using the term 'god' but replace it with a variable like "X" to see how this fits with your rationale? It should fit if your reasoning stands. But you are applying a specific value to "X" making it NOT an unknown to begin with but to an assumed known reality which only begs that.

If you assume Nothing, this CAN be a value OR not, to begin with. But you can't just jump from Nothing to "God" because that word implies something specific, like "42", rather than some '0', '1', or '00' (infinite), which has to be derived at least from these. You cannot start by placing, X = "God" because this is more complex like beginning with X = 42, rather than the 0, 1, or 00, that we at least can all relate to better.