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This paradox is about the beginning of creation. We discus two timeless and temporal Gods. We show that there is a paradox in both case, timeless and temporal Gods. First let discuss timeless God.

Timeless God: Timeless means that God is not subject to the time. This means that there doesn't exist any time point reference that God decide to create. The problem however is why then universe has a specific age.

Temporal God: This means that universe can have specific age. The problem however is that this God should have lived eternally in another word God has lived from eternal past to now. This is however problematic since it is impossible to reach from eternal past to now.

"So you are bounding God?" -- bahman

Reflex wrote:"So you are bounding God?" -- bahman

Bahman is limiting God to human logic, which is totally irrational. If Bahman can't figure it out, then it can't be true.

bahman wrote:
Timeless God: Timeless means that God is not subject to the time. This means that there doesn't exist any time point reference that God decide to create. The problem however is why then universe has a specific age.

Temporal God: This means that universe can have specific age. The problem however is that this God should have lived eternally in another word God has lived from eternal past to now. This is however problematic since it is impossible to reach from eternal past to now.

The "logic" here is equivalent to asking "How old were you when you were born?" The paradox is one you created. Nothing to do with timeless or temporal especially as it relates to a God.

Reflex wrote: "So you are bounding God?" -- bahman

I am saying that there is a paradox in the beginning of the creation. Whether God can resolve a paradox is another matter.

thedoc wrote:

Reflex wrote: "So you are bounding God?" -- bahman

Bahman is limiting God to human logic, which is totally irrational. If Bahman can't figure it out, then it can't be true.

I am not limiting God. I am saying that there is a paradox related to beginning of the creation. Whether God can resolve a paradox is another topic.

bahman wrote: I am saying that there is a paradox related to beginning of the creation. Whether God can resolve a paradox is another topic.

The only paradox is in human understanding, so I discount that altogether

Dubious wrote:

bahman wrote: Timeless God: Timeless means that God is not subject to the time. This means that there doesn't exist any time point reference that God decide to create. The problem however is why then universe has a specific age.

Temporal God: This means that universe can have specific age. The problem however is that this God should have lived eternally in another word God has lived from eternal past to now. This is however problematic since it is impossible to reach from eternal past to now.

The "logic" here is equivalent to asking "How old were you when you were born?" The paradox is one you created. Nothing to do with timeless or temporal especially as it relates to a God.

You obviously didn't get the arguments. There is a time reference at which you can attach your birth to that. We don't have such a time reference in timeless state and this gives rise to question that why universe has certain age.

You obviously didn't understand the second argument.

thedoc wrote:

bahman wrote: I am saying that there is a paradox related to beginning of the creation. Whether God can resolve a paradox is another topic.

The only paradox is in human understanding, so I discount that altogether

I don't understand how what you said is related to this thread.

God being God - Supremacy - Sovereignty, would have everything at his command. So God could choose to be timeless or temporal. God being - in the world would be on the basis God is all powerful, so God could do everything, even his own creation, sustenance, deletion. God is considered to be holy spirit, so if God spirit turned unholy, then God would not be able to go out of existence until dues were paid, but being holy he would have all choices. "Know ye not that ye are all Gods, and the spirit of God dwelleth in you?" Now we all know who we are, we also know our own creation in a sense. God can create himself and so become existent, and can delete himself too and so become non-existent. Now we do not understand how that could be possible, but God would know. "God is all knowing" - Omniscient. So when we are Gods again in Heaven, and are no longer in Hell, then we will know everything.