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When the spiritually realized ones talk of renunciation and discrimination, and living with virtues; when they talk of overcoming this world and going deep within the realized true self, what are they trying to communicate? They are sharing an experience that they have encountered; an experience that eliminates worries and problems in their life; an experience that makes them realize the truth of who they are; an experience that makes them feel the power that is Omnipresent, Omnipotent and Omniscient.

Most of us are not able to experience such a state of everlasting bliss because we are controlled by our body and mind. Our body-mind complex that is steered by our ego makes us go round and round in circles. It makes us go up a peak of happiness and down a valley of pain, and this goes on day after day. We enjoy the pleasures of life, face the trials and tribulations until eventually one day this so designed body grows, decays, often gets diseased and dies, after which, we are born again. This drama continues again and again; but if these realized ones who tell us to stop, to introspect, to think, to go within, to realize who we are, to realize God and to truly experience the bliss that comes with this realization - is it that they are lying to us? Is it that there is no state of everlasting bliss? Is this a myth? Is this a trick? Why would they trick us? Why would they bluff us? Why would they lead us to a path that doesn’t exist? If they are taking us on a path that they have been on, should we try that path or should we live and die in a cycle of pleasure and pain just because we don’t believe their experience of everlasting bliss!

AiR

It takes a truly self centred asshole to turn a blind eye to all the suffering of others in the world just so he\she can remain in a state of bliss.

By the way. Have you ever had to dig trench after trench resulting in what feels like everlasting blisters?

Cos to me, you sound like just another slack loser piece of shit asshole kicking back on another fix of heroin.

Q: Is there a State of Everlasting Bliss?

A: Yes absolutely yes, it is your true nature.

Even in our apparent suffering bliss is right there silently comforting you. it can never leave you, it is you. Welcome to heaven. Hell is heaven in disguise.

attofishpi wrote:
Cos to me, you sound like just another slack loser piece of shit asshole kicking back on another fix of heroin.

No no no dear attofishpi ...Air's just awake that's all, don't even need drugs to get that high. God knew there would be some struggles in life always where people would seek only to look not on the bright side of life... so in his wisdom he invented drugs as a useful step ladder so that humans could use in order to reach him on his level, that's all.

attofishpi wrote:It takes a truly self centred asshole to turn a blind eye to all the suffering of others in the world just so he\she can remain in a state of bliss.

Is it possible that those who have discovered bliss, are not turning a blind eye to the suffering of others, but are trying to show them a better way, by example?

There pobably is a state of everlasting bliss, but it's non-specific.

Dalek Prime wrote:There pobably is a state of everlasting bliss, but it's non-specific.

Buddhism claims to achieve bliss through non-attachment, or not desiring anything. If you don't want anything, you can't be disappointed when you don't get it.

thedoc wrote:

Dalek Prime wrote:There pobably is a state of everlasting bliss, but it's non-specific.

Buddhism claims to achieve bliss through non-attachment, or not desiring anything. If you don't want anything, you can't be disappointed when you don't get it.

Which nothingness provides. No birth (or rebirth ie. off the dharmic wheel.) They talk about the same thing I always do, but seek it by a different means ie. through endless cycles of living.

attofishpi wrote:By the way. Have you ever had to dig trench after trench resulting in what feels like everlasting blisters?

Cos to me, you sound like just another slack loser piece of shit asshole kicking back on another fix of heroin.

Mmmm.... codeine cocktails lol.

Dalek Prime wrote:

attofishpi wrote:By the way. Have you ever had to dig trench after trench resulting in what feels like everlasting blisters?

Cos to me, you sound like just another slack loser piece of shit asshole kicking back on another fix of heroin.

Mmmm.... codeine cocktails lol.

Codeine and a splash of gin - oooh yeah. Bliss.

thedoc wrote:

attofishpi wrote:It takes a truly self centred asshole to turn a blind eye to all the suffering of others in the world just so he\she can remain in a state of bliss.

Is it possible that those who have discovered bliss, are not turning a blind eye to the suffering of others, but are trying to show them a better way, by example?

Where is this example that the likes of AIR and D.A.M. are trying to show?...and when a child is starving and the likes of AIR and co come along and spill there air head fluffy duck talk - how is this starving child going to learn from the bollocks in front of them provided courtesy of what amounts to little more than an AIR head spilling waffle.

I found total bliss when devoid of mental chatter about ten years ago. At that time I had become aware of just how much I was thinking. Although none of it of any real importance. For an excercise I was told to go home and write down my thoughts. I took this literally and so thought I was meant to write down ALL of my thoughts. Naively I tried and for anyone else who has tried this they already know how impossible the task is. There is no way I could keep up, the thoughts were just racing ahead. I then became a lot more aware of my thoughts and could "stand back" or "outside" and just observe them more often, from a different perspective.

About this time also I tried to 'stop thinking'. Obviously, as others are already well aware of, when I tried to stop thinking it was like I was thinking more, but what I realized was that I was not actually thinking more, I was only just taking more notice of my thinking, and thus being more aware of the thoughts I was having. However, i continued on trying to stop thinking. I did succeed, and back then I could manage this for about half a second.

After about ten years of doing this 'stop thinking' practicing, if lucky, I can manage about three or four seconds now. But what I have noticed in those very short periods of absolutely no mental activity is the body relaxes, my mouth moves involuntarily to a smile and I feel a sense of what I guess is what bliss is meant to be or actually does feel like. Whatever it is it is an absolutely amazing experience and something I would love to experience for everlasting more. For those very tiny periods I am literally not thinking of anything at all and so I also do not have a worry nor a care in the world - I am in a state of total bliss - but sadly not for everlasting.

attofishpi wrote:

thedoc wrote:

attofishpi wrote:It takes a truly self centred asshole to turn a blind eye to all the suffering of others in the world just so he\she can remain in a state of bliss.

Is it possible that those who have discovered bliss, are not turning a blind eye to the suffering of others, but are trying to show them a better way, by example?

Where is this example that the likes of AIR and D.A.M. are trying to show?...and when a child is starving and the likes of AIR and co come along and spill there air head fluffy duck talk - how is this starving child going to learn from the bollocks in front of them provided courtesy of what amounts to little more than an AIR head spilling waffle.

Bliss is not what you think it is attofishpi... bliss is just another human-centric sensory-based experience because humans manifest as biologically embodied awareness. So they have the capacity to conjure-up endless ideas about how they should think and feel. And the idea that there is a someone who is suffering in life is the mistaken mental identification with being a separate self...so of course that one is going to suffer. This is indeed the cause of all suffering - whereas what we truly are is disembodied, impersonal emptiness, where there is only neutral ''what is'' detachment or contentment. Life really is empty of a self.. we only think we are. The real self is actually the emptiness in which the idea of 'me' and everything else appears. There is no Self. Where was the self before the idea of 'me' appeared? where will the self be when the idea of 'me' no longer appears?

WW1 & 2 prisons of war retreated into their natural mind state of ''no self'' to escape their sufferings. So as you see the mind can work for you in two ways... either you are attached to your suffering or you aren't. The universe does not give a damn about your suffering, it is not human-centric, it's not limited by that human idea. It's ever unconditionally giving, fruitful, abundant and beautifully creative. What it loses, it instantly replaces. Everything that arises will eventually rot and decay...without that function nothing could arise as new. That's the hard fact of life that humans are going to have to come to terms with if they are ever to transcend their imaginary suffering. We have to stop thinking and believing in separate selves existing apart from everything else, it's the only way to stop the madness that is the human mind. So as you see, your suffering is your own making and has nothing to do with the grand scheme of how things actually are.

thedoc wrote:

Dalek Prime wrote:There pobably is a state of everlasting bliss, but it's non-specific.

Buddhism claims to achieve bliss through non-attachment, or not desiring anything. If you don't want anything, you can't be disappointed when you don't get it.

The problem with humans is their insatiable desire for happiness and pleasure. The more they have the more they want and the more they get the more worry they collect, worry about losing it all, all in the belief it will make them happy. But too much pleasure quickly turns to pain. So happiness can never be found in the fulfilment of getting want you desire. Nothing in reality is happy because it's never been unhappy, once again pleasure and happiness is a human invention. Pain is not a human invention, physical pain is real, it's the natural intelligence of the body warning itself there is something not quite right. Mental pain is energetic emotional pain born of the sense of a separate 'me' living in the world of others, this mental pain is not real...this pain is fleeting and will pass away soon enough when no attention is given to it. Real physical pain does not pass away in the same context, not until attention has been given to it.
Realising you don't always get what you want in life and accepting that is the sure way to living with contentment. Even being born to poor impoverished countries. The Intelligence of the universe provides it's living creatures with the obvious natural senses for survival purposes,, air, sunlight, food, water and comfort in the form of shelter from the elements. That's basically all sentient life needs to function....that is the only heaven that exists and it's right here now...any thing else is paving the road to hell. It's the human mismanagement of earths free naturally given resources that is the cause of all human suffering. It's not the fault of the universe itself. Humans are either their own worse enemy, or they are awake to their amazing potential for greatness and power. The problem is most humans give their power away to others and it gets abused by the greedy and selfish. If we don't abuse our power, we can achieve greatness. But all too often, in our ignorance and laziness we lack the will to discover our own power for what it means to be a successful human experience.